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                    On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 11:36:41 PM GMT+9, Mark Elkins <mje@posix.co.za> wrote:
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    <p>Looking at this post - I should not have used the word Thief.
      Can't think of a suitable alternative at the moment - I have a
      horrid headache and the Nurofen has not yet kicked in. I apologise
      if anyone is offended.<br clear="none">
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    <div class="yiv9952029046moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/21 4:05 PM, Mark Elkins wrote:<br clear="none">
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      </blockquote></div><div><p>1) I have on my laptop - RPD emails going back to November 2018
        - and I have never ever seen a post from jeffery_sky <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv9952029046moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:jeffery_sky-99@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jeffery_sky-99@yahoo.com"><jeffery_sky-99@yahoo.com></a>
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      <p>2) The only information that is "being injected" is into the
        space that AFRINIC has not yet allocated/assigned to any Member
        - which will just make it easier on the few routers that look at
        RPKI information to see that a very bad actor is using space
        that should not be visible on the Internet at all. The only folk
        that this should bother is Bad Actors who have using this
        unallocated /unassigned space on the Internet (thieves?)</p>
      <p>I really don't understand the problem. All all the objectors
        thieves? (wanting to use/route something that does not belong to
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      <div class="yiv9952029046moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/21 3:21 PM, jeffery_sky via
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              <div><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">Hello, <br clear="none">
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              <div><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;"></span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">To clarify,
                    these concerns are becoming repetitive due to the
                    lack of adequate responses from the </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">concerned
                    stakeholders. Also, I want to </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">address the
                    fact </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">that the real problem here is not</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;"> RPKI in any </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">way. </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">What is really
                    bothering me is that<b> </b></span><b><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">RIR </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">is </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">injecti</span></b><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;"><b>ng its own
                      data into RPKI</b></span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">, which makes </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">the </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">previous </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">argument </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">about how
                    signing space is in</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">valid</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">.</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">Further, </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">the usage of </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">RPKI will </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">lead to</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">AS0 all </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">unallocated
                    space for you</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">. Consequently</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">, </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">the routing
                    changes</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">.</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;"><br clear="none">
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              <div><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">I understand
                    that some of t</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">hese concerns are repe</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">ated, but I
                    think it is because they were not </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">addressed
                    properly. The responses provided are mainly vague
                    and it seems to me that you are dodging </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">the comments by
                    bringing the Last call phase procedure and calling
                    out the PDWG co</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">-</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">chairs. <br clear="none">
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              <div><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;"></span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">The last call
                    phas</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">e is dedicated to this type of
                    discussions, and if several people are not
                    convinced, it </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">simply means that the co</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">-</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">authors should
                    try providing insightful responses that go straight
                    to the </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">point, not vague ones. If this vicious
                    cycle and the lack of proper a</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">nswers
                    continues, consensus will </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">never happen,
                    and the policy cannot be implemented. Also, most of
                    the raised objections have nothing </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">to do with
                    technicalities, therefore, they are meant to be
                    discussed on the RPD. </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">Finally, the
                    arguments you perceive repe</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">ated, have not
                    been received accurate replies, which means </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">they will keep
                    popping out. Consequently, the best thing to do, is
                    to dig deeper in this proposal, instead </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">of labelling
                    the arguments as invalid.</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;">In the hope of
                    receiving insightful answers...</span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:18.4px;"><br clear="none">
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            <div> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 9:40:10 PM GMT+9, Fernando
              Frediani <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv9952029046moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a>
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                Excelent and simple answer.<br clear="none">
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                Em 6/8/2021 3:01 AM, Frank Habicht escreveu:<br clear="none">
                > Hi<br clear="none">
                ><br clear="none">
                > On 08/06/2021 01:45, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:<br clear="none">
                >> Hi,<br clear="none">
                >><br clear="none">
                >> Are you postulating here that Resources not
                allocated are susceptible to<br clear="none">
                >> hijack?<br clear="none">
                > - resources are susceptible to hijack.<br clear="none">
                > - if a ROA with AS0 was published for an
                unallocated resource, it would<br clear="none">
                >    be less susceptible to hijack.<br clear="none">
                ><br clear="none">
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                >> My other understanding is an RIR is a resource
                dispenser.<br clear="none">
                > When I get my next resource from AfriNIC, I will
                prefer one that was not<br clear="none">
                > previously hijacked and used for spamming and
                network abuse, and got<br clear="none">
                > blacklisted and a bad reputation everywhere.<br clear="none">
                ><br clear="none">
                > What about you?<br clear="none">
                ><br clear="none">
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                > Thanks,<br clear="none">
                > Frank<br clear="none">
                ><br clear="none">
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                >> Simply<br clear="none">
                >> Daniel<br clear="none">
                >><br clear="none">
                >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 11:30 PM Fernando Frediani
                <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a><br clear="none">
                >> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>>
                wrote:<br clear="none">
                >><br clear="none">
                >>      AfriNic (or any other RIR) is the resource
                holder for IP space that<br clear="none">
                >>      IANA has allocated to it. So who else
                could secure that space until<br clear="none">
                >>      it is assigned to an organization issuing
                ROAs if not the current<br clear="none">
                >>      resource holder ?<br clear="none">
                >><br clear="none">
                >>      Must we have a policy accepted by either
                RIPE or ARIN first in order<br clear="none">
                >>      to accept it in AfriNic afterwards ?<br clear="none">
                >>      This is not a worry to the RIR, it is
                actually an additional<br clear="none">
                >>      guarantee that no one else will try to
                make usage of IP space under<br clear="none">
                >>      its responsability.<br clear="none">
                >><br clear="none">
                >>      Fernando<br clear="none">
                >><br clear="none">
                >>      On 07/06/2021 19:14, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
                wrote:<br clear="none">
                >>>      Dear Jordi,<br clear="none">
                >>><br clear="none">
                >>>      Just out of curiosity why has RIPE and
                ARIN refused to adopt the<br clear="none">
                >>>      RPKI ROA and make it their
                responsibility that it is used by<br clear="none">
                >>>      resource holder?. I will agree that
                RPKI ROA is a good tool to<br clear="none">
                >>>      secure BGP routing, however I don't
                see as the responsibility of<br clear="none">
                >>>      an RIR to implement it.<br clear="none">
                >>><br clear="none">
                >>>      My strong opinion is that any resource
                holder should be<br clear="none">
                >>>      responsible for securing its resources
                and if RPKI ROA is the best<br clear="none">
                >>>      way to prevent hijack, then it will
                enjoy patronage. Making it a<br clear="none">
                >>>      job of AfriNIC, will possibly be going
                over board.<br clear="none">
                >>><br clear="none">
                >>>      Responding to my opening question, I
                believe RIPE and ARIN are not<br clear="none">
                >>>      keen on accepting your arguments
                because they are mundane. This<br clear="none">
                >>>      means resource holders should handle
                this issue, without making it<br clear="none">
                >>>      a worry of the RIR.<br clear="none">
                >>><br clear="none">
                >>>      In this regard, AfriNIC should
                concentrate on handling other more<br clear="none">
                >>>      important issues, hence this policy is
                not relevant.<br clear="none">
                >>><br clear="none">
                >>><br clear="none">
                >>>      Simply<br clear="none">
                >>><br clear="none">
                >>>      Daniel<br clear="none">
                >>><br clear="none">
                >>>      On 07/06/2021 6:3pm, JORDI PALET
                MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br clear="none">
                >>>>      Ni Mimi,____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      No, is not ideological, the legal
                counsel already confirmed the<br clear="none">
                >>>>      being bookkeepers has many other
                **related** implications, such<br clear="none">
                >>>>      as provide a trustable source of
                accurate data, and this is what<br clear="none">
                >>>>      RPKI and AS0 improve.____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      The fact that in RIPE has not been
                accepted yet is just one more<br clear="none">
                >>>>      excuse, if you compare it with the
                fact that the other TWO RIRs<br clear="none">
                >>>>      where it has been submitted (APNIC
                and LACNIC) accepted it and in<br clear="none">
                >>>>      none of those regions there have
                been any of the excuses and lack<br clear="none">
                >>>>      of knowledge about RPKI that we
                are hearing here. As I’ve<br clear="none">
                >>>>      explained already, I don’t think
                the RIPE chairs decision was<br clear="none">
                >>>>      correct, and we will make sure to
                resubmit the proposal there<br clear="none">
                >>>>      once a consistent appeal process
                is available, in case chairs<br clear="none">
                >>>>      take again a wrong decision. Also,
                then the experience in APNIC,<br clear="none">
                >>>>      LACNIC and AFRINIC will show that
                those motivations are<br clear="none">
                >>>>      ridiculous.____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      From time to time is good that
                ARIN and RIPE aren’t the leaders,<br clear="none">
                >>>>      you don’t think so? It shows that
                very smart people exist in<br clear="none">
                >>>>      other regions as well!____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      Once more, sometimes policies in
                one or the other region fail to<br clear="none">
                >>>>      reach consensus, but it happens
                sooner or later.____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      If you have a simple and trustable
                tool such as RPKI to drop<br clear="none">
                >>>>      invalids, you have a better way
                (if you want) to avoid bad actors<br clear="none">
                >>>>      to use prefixes that don’t belong
                to them as they are still on<br clear="none">
                >>>>      the hands of AFRINIC. This is just
                facts. Not ideological, not<br clear="none">
                >>>>      opinions or personal view points.
                So yes, AS0 avoids, if you<br clear="none">
                >>>>      operate your network in a
                consistent way, to be faked with<br clear="none">
                >>>>      prefixes not allocated/assigned by
                AFRINIC, and thus helps to<br clear="none">
                >>>>      prevent hijacking.____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      Regards,____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      Jordi____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      @jordipalet____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      El 7/6/21 18:47, "Mimi dy" <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com">dym5328@gmail.com</a><br clear="none">
                >>>>      <mailto:<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com">dym5328@gmail.com</a>>>
                escribió:____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      __ __<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      Dear WG,____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>       ____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      I think the issue here is
                ideological. Many people believe that<br clear="none">
                >>>>      RIRs are mere bookkeepers, and it
                is not in their mandate to<br clear="none">
                >>>>      inject data into the routing
                database. That is the reason why<br clear="none">
                >>>>      RIPE did not approve a similar
                proposal, which I totally agree<br clear="none">
                >>>>      with. Moreover, I wanted to react
                to Jordi’s statement, saying<br clear="none">
                >>>>      that these objections are based on
                practical and technical<br clear="none">
                >>>>      matters. There is not only one
                routing database, there are many,<br clear="none">
                >>>>      isn’t it kind of messy? And that
                is not even the main reason why<br clear="none">
                >>>>      I object to this policy. ____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      From another perspective, since
                people can adjust and control<br clear="none">
                >>>>      their routers, can you precise how
                this policy can potentially<br clear="none">
                >>>>      prevent/ reduce hijacking?____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>       ____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      Best.____<br clear="none">
                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>     
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                >>>><br clear="none">
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                >>>>     
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                >>>>      IPv4 is over<br clear="none">
                >>>>      Are you ready for the new Internet
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                >>>><br clear="none">
                >>>>      This electronic message contains
                information which may be<br clear="none">
                >>>>      privileged or confidential. The
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                >>>>      the exclusive use of the
                individual(s) named above and further<br clear="none">
                >>>>      non-explicilty authorized
                disclosure, copying, distribution or<br clear="none">
                >>>>      use of the contents of this
                information, even if partially,<br clear="none">
                >>>>      including attached files, is
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                >>>>      considered a criminal offense. If
                you are not the intended<br clear="none">
                >>>>      recipient be aware that any
                disclosure, copying, distribution or<br clear="none">
                >>>>      use of the contents of this
                information, even if partially,<br clear="none">
                >>>>      including attached files, is
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                you must reply to the original<br clear="none">
                >>>>      sender to inform about this
                communication and delete it.
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                  >>>><br clear="none">
                  >>>>     
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