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<p>Dear Jordi, <br>
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<p>Just out of curiosity why has RIPE and ARIN refused to adopt the
RPKI ROA and make it their responsibility that it is used by
resource holder?. I will agree that RPKI ROA is a good tool to
secure BGP routing, however I don't see as the responsibility of
an RIR to implement it.</p>
<p>My strong opinion is that any resource holder should be
responsible for securing its resources and if RPKI ROA is the best
way to prevent hijack, then it will enjoy patronage. Making it a
job of AfriNIC, will possibly be going over board.</p>
<p>Responding to my opening question, I believe RIPE and ARIN are
not keen on accepting your arguments because they are mundane.
This means resource holders should handle this issue, without
making it a worry of the RIR.</p>
<p>In this regard, AfriNIC should concentrate on handling other more
important issues, hence this policy is not relevant.</p>
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<p>Simply</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/06/2021 6:3pm, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="ES-TRAD">Ni Mimi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">No, is not ideological, the legal counsel
already confirmed the being bookkeepers has many other *<b>related</b>*
implications, such as provide a trustable source of accurate
data, and this is what RPKI and AS0 improve.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">The fact that in RIPE has not been accepted yet
is just one more excuse, if you compare it with the fact
that the other TWO RIRs where it has been submitted (APNIC
and LACNIC) accepted it and in none of those regions there
have been any of the excuses and lack of knowledge about
RPKI that we are hearing here. As I’ve explained already, I
don’t think the RIPE chairs decision was correct, and we
will make sure to resubmit the proposal there once a
consistent appeal process is available, in case chairs take
again a wrong decision. Also, then the experience in APNIC,
LACNIC and AFRINIC will show that those motivations are
ridiculous.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">From time to time is good that ARIN and RIPE
aren’t the leaders, you don’t think so? It shows that very
smart people exist in other regions as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Once more, sometimes policies in one or the
other region fail to reach consensus, but it happens sooner
or later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">If you have a simple and trustable tool such as
RPKI to drop invalids, you have a better way (if you want)
to avoid bad actors to use prefixes that don’t belong to
them as they are still on the hands of AFRINIC. This is just
facts. Not ideological, not opinions or personal view
points. So yes, AS0 avoids, if you operate your network in a
consistent way, to be faked with prefixes not
allocated/assigned by AFRINIC, and thus helps to prevent
hijacking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="ES-TRAD">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="ES-TRAD">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 7/6/21
18:47, "Mimi dy" <<a href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">dym5328@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
lang="EN-IN">Dear WG,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
lang="EN-IN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
lang="EN-IN">I think the issue here is ideological. Many
people believe that RIRs are mere bookkeepers, and it is
not in their mandate to inject data into the routing
database. That is the reason why RIPE did not approve a
similar proposal, which I totally agree with. Moreover, I
wanted to react to Jordi’s statement, saying that these
objections are based on practical and technical matters.
There is not only one routing database, there are many,
isn’t it kind of messy? And that is not even the main
reason why I object to this policy. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
lang="EN-IN">From another perspective, since people can
adjust and control their routers, can you precise how this
policy can potentially prevent/ reduce hijacking?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-IN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
lang="EN-IN">Best.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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