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    <p>AfriNic (or any other RIR) is the resource holder for IP space
      that IANA has allocated to it. So who else could secure that space
      until it is assigned to an organization issuing ROAs if not the
      current resource holder ?</p>
    <p>Must we have a policy accepted by either RIPE or ARIN first in
      order to accept it in AfriNic afterwards ?<br>
      This is not a worry to the RIR, it is actually an additional
      guarantee that no one else will try to make usage of IP space
      under its responsability.<br>
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    <p>Fernando<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/06/2021 19:14, Daniel Yakmut via
      RPD wrote:<br>
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      <p>Dear Jordi, <br>
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      <p>Just out of curiosity why has RIPE and ARIN refused to adopt
        the RPKI ROA and make it their responsibility that it is used by
        resource holder?. I will agree that RPKI ROA is a good tool to
        secure BGP routing, however I don't see as the responsibility of
        an RIR to implement it.</p>
      <p>My strong opinion is that any resource holder should be
        responsible for securing its resources and if RPKI ROA is the
        best way to prevent hijack, then it will enjoy patronage. Making
        it a job of AfriNIC, will possibly be going over board.</p>
      <p>Responding to my opening question, I believe RIPE and ARIN are
        not keen on accepting your arguments because they are mundane.
        This means resource holders should handle this issue, without
        making it a worry of the RIR.</p>
      <p>In this regard, AfriNIC should concentrate on handling other
        more important issues, hence this policy is not relevant.</p>
      <p><br>
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      <p>Simply</p>
      <p>Daniel<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/06/2021 6:3pm, JORDI PALET
        MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="ES-TRAD">Ni Mimi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">No, is not ideological, the legal counsel
              already confirmed the being bookkeepers has many other *<b>related</b>*
              implications, such as provide a trustable source of
              accurate data, and this is what RPKI and AS0 improve.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">The fact that in RIPE has not been accepted
              yet is just one more excuse, if you compare it with the
              fact that the other TWO RIRs where it has been submitted
              (APNIC and LACNIC) accepted it and in none of those
              regions there have been any of the excuses and lack of
              knowledge about RPKI that we are hearing here. As I’ve
              explained already, I don’t think the RIPE chairs decision
              was correct, and we will make sure to resubmit the
              proposal there once a consistent appeal process is
              available, in case chairs take again a wrong decision.
              Also, then the experience in APNIC, LACNIC and AFRINIC
              will show that those motivations are ridiculous.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">From time to time is good that ARIN and RIPE
              aren’t the leaders, you don’t think so? It shows that very
              smart people exist in other regions as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Once more, sometimes policies in one or the
              other region fail to reach consensus, but it happens
              sooner or later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">If you have a simple and trustable tool such
              as RPKI to drop invalids, you have a better way (if you
              want) to avoid bad actors to use prefixes that don’t
              belong to them as they are still on the hands of AFRINIC.
              This is just facts. Not ideological, not opinions or
              personal view points. So yes, AS0 avoids, if you operate
              your network in a consistent way, to be faked with
              prefixes not allocated/assigned by AFRINIC, and thus helps
              to prevent hijacking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="ES-TRAD">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="ES-TRAD">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 7/6/21
                18:47, "Mimi dy" <<a href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">dym5328@gmail.com</a>>
                escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
                lang="EN-IN">Dear WG,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
                lang="EN-IN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
                lang="EN-IN">I think the issue here is ideological. Many
                people believe that RIRs are mere bookkeepers, and it is
                not in their mandate to inject data into the routing
                database. That is the reason why RIPE did not approve a
                similar proposal, which I totally agree with. Moreover,
                I wanted to react to Jordi’s statement, saying that
                these objections are based on practical and technical
                matters. There is not only one routing database, there
                are many, isn’t it kind of messy? And that is not even
                the main reason why I object to this policy. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
                lang="EN-IN">From another perspective, since people can
                adjust and control their routers, can you precise how
                this policy can potentially prevent/ reduce hijacking?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
                lang="EN-IN"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:106%"><span
                lang="EN-IN">Best.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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