<div dir="auto">Hello,
<div dir="auto">I felt the obligation to mention a very important element:
</div><div dir="auto">AFRINIC is issuing signed statements such as : "I declare that this address space has not been allocated/assigned to anybody". That is our problem. It is not at all related to AFRINIC carrying out routing. In fact, similar statements are made in the registration database, and stakeholders have the freedom to utilize them to adjust their router without the need of a whole new policy, it is just useless. Nevertheless, the policy incorporating that statement into routing tools is the reason why <b>RIPE dropped this policy and described it as unnecessary.
</b></div><div dir="auto">On the other hand, concerning data injection, the issue has nothing to do with data, instead, injecting it into the routing tool is something that is out of AFRINIC’s scope. Additionally, although you have the liberty to choose whether to accept RPKI or reject it, in case the policy gets ratified, you are clearly <b>accepting</b> RPKI with injected data, without an option to withdraw it.
</div><div dir="auto">It is time we stop wasting precious time developing useless policies, while we can be in the process of implementing coherent, useful policies.
</div><div dir="auto">Thank you.
</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 14:13 aziz halim <<a href="mailto:azizlfax88@gmail.com">azizlfax88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" dir="auto">
<p>Hello, </p>
<p>I felt the
obligation to mention a very important element:</p>
<p>AFRINIC is issuing
signed statements such as : "I declare that this address space has not
been allocated/assigned to anybody". That is our problem. It is not at all related
to AFRINIC carrying out routing. In fact, similar statements are made in the
registration database, and stakeholders have the freedom to utilize them to adjust
their router without the need of a whole new policy, it is just useless. Nevertheless,
the policy incorporating that statement into routing tools is the reason why <b>RIPE
dropped this policy</b> <b>and described it as unnecessary. </b></p>
<p>On the
other hand, concerning data injection, the issue has nothing to do with data, instead,
injecting it into the routing tool is something that is out of AFRINIC’s scope.<b>
</b>Additionally, although you have the liberty to choose whether to accept
RPKI or reject it, in case the policy gets ratified, you are clearly<b>
accepting</b> RPKI with injected data, without an option to withdraw it.</p>
<p>It is time
we stop wasting precious time developing useless policies, while we can be in
the process of implementing coherent, useful policies.</p>
<div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid 1pt;padding:0in 0in 1pt 0in">
<p style="border:none;padding:0in">Thank you.</p>
</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 12:27 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Elvis,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">You’re confused. It is not up to the members to fix the rules, it is up to the community. Members are bound to the rules decided by the community and the members are part of the community so they take part in that decision.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">You also missed the part on the 6 months. AFRINIC will implement it in a slow-start phased model, so there will be ample time so initially it may be much more time for each member to have the 1<sup>st</sup> verification passed, it will all depend on how AFRINIC implements the phases. It is true that then the 2<sup>nd</sup> verification could come after 6 months, again depending on the slow approach taken by AFRINIC, but then, on the next year, AFRINIC can inform the community of the status and if necessary, update the timings.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Last, but not least if in case of an abuse report, a member decides not to reply, they should just have an auto-responder, something like “we don’t respond to abuse reports” and then the rest of the world decide if they want to filter this ISP, instead of filtering all the AFRINIC community. I don’t expect smart members to do so, obviously, but they could, or they could in fact, simplify their job and automate as much as possible the handling of the abuse mailbox, so clear cases are processed automatically, other cases could be diverted to staff to handle it, and even other cases could be discarded by responding, for example “we will inform our customer, however spam is not illegal in our country and we don’t include such provisions in our customers contacts, so if they want to spam you, so be it”.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Note that some of my quoted text is in irony mode. As said, I will not think a member will be doing the right thing that way, but it is their decision and the policy allows it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">If you believe that the community asking to AFRINIC to enforce certain rules, it is against the Internet (not internet), then you should get disconnected from Internet, because the self-governance from the community will not be possible and then the *<b>complete CPM</b>* should be ignored. Note that the rules of each member internet just don’t care to the members of the rest of the community, the problem is what you do in Internet.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Once more, all those points have been repeatedly responded during the discussions in the list and if I got it correctly, chairs understood that those are invalid objections, so unless there is any new objection or chairs ask me to repeat again and again the same, I don’t think I should do that, otherwise, we waste time and resources from all.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 7/6/21 13:06, "Ibeanusi Elvis" <<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hello community, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I am in opposition with this policy because it is unnecessary as there is already an existing abuse contact policy that is already sufficient and functional as well. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Indeed it is essential to have a mandatory abuse contact policy but having to put a 6months verification is very unrequited because it is up to the members to decide if they want to reply or not. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hence, members should have the option “not to reply”. Additionally, it is not in Afrinic’s mandate to decide or dictate how network holders manage their abuse mailbox. they have the right to determine the type of subjects they can reply and choose the adequate actions to be taken as earlier aforementioned. It also contradicts with internet values, making AFRINIC play the role of the central government.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Elvis <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Jun 4, 2021, at 23:56, PDWG Chair <<a href="mailto:dacostadarwin@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dacostadarwin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear PDWG, </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This is to announce the official start of the last call period for the following policy proposal (in line with the provisions of the CPM):</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Abuse Contact Policy Update</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">URL: </span><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-001-d7" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155cc">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-001-d7</span></a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The proposal reached rough consensus at the Public Policy Meeting held 2-3 June 2021 in online format. This last call period will run for a period of two weeks as a minimum. 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