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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Anthony,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’ve responded to all that, let me try again:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’ve not ignored your request (I’ve in fact responded to all your points in this emails thru your own questions and questions from others). I said that the impact analysis already confirmed that there are NO legal implications, as they indicated “No comments”. further to that, it is up to the legal team to respond and they did, just look at the session video (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFqiz6M8fc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFqiz6M8fc</a>, minute 2:15). The legal counsel (Ashok) responded.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Legal team could include a clearer sentence in the impact assessment if they have anything to say, I think it is quite clear that is not the case. Stating responsibility for liability it is a generic question NOT JUST for this policy proposal. I don’t recall if this is stated in the bylaws or the RSA, but definitively IT IS NOT specific to this or any other proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If AFRINIC makes a mistake in the whois, legal implications maybe the same as if they make a mistake in the AS0. There may be even a small difference in favor of AS0 because you can decide NOT TO USE IT, it is voluntarily. However, you may be enforced to use whois for many other reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Where in the PDP states that every policy must include mitigations plans? Can you show us other policies that have that? In my opinion mitigations plans for *<b>anything</b>* that may break in AFRINIC (or any other RIR) systems, are a very generic operational aspect, again, not JUST for this policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is plain WRONG that “most” have rejected this proposal, on the other way around! This proposal has been submitted at the moment to 4 RIRs (including AFRINIC – note that not yet submitted to ARIN, it will come). In 3 of them (including AFRINIC), consensus has been declared, 1 of them already implemented (APNIC), 1 implementing (LACNIC), 1 rejected it, and I explained that many folks in the community were in favor but chairs declared no-consensus (even if one of the chairs, at least, was clearly against). The appeal process in RIPE has demonstrated that it is not fair, this is why, even if I was about to appeal this decision (even if I was not the author in RIPE), I decided to hold it until I can submit again this proposal and the appeal problem is fixed (in progress). In summary I don’t think the reasons for declaring no-consensus were justified at all: following the same reasons many other proposals that reached consensus in RIPE, could haven’t got it. However, you should note that even if is good to understand if other RIRs are doing the same, it is not a reason neither for doing it or not doing it. It just a reference. It will be good to have more agreement among the regions, yes, definitively, but sometimes it is a matter of time. Some other proposals reached consensus in RIPE (such as Inter-RIR) and not in AFRINIC, so you can use your rational in the other way around.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Other RIRs that have adopted the proposal, the same as *<b>other proposals</b>*, have not explicitly said anything about legal liability, because as said in my explanation above, this is a generic aspect for the complete operational model of the RIRs, not just *<b>this proposal</b>*.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 6/6/21 17:57, "Anthony Ubah" <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear PDWG,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regarding this policy, I didn't throw my weight on it for one reason. There is a gray area which requires clarity and may turn around to hunt service providers and resource owner in the long run. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I directed a question to the Legal team at the hearing of this policy, multiple times, and it was inexplicably ignored by Jordi, the Co-chairs and perhaps the legal team, and I still sought clarity on it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>My question remains; In a situation where, due to human or machine error AS0 is injected by AFRINIC on already assigned resources, and expectedly this result in service disconnection, thus DOS, causing an SLA breach with service end users. <b>Who bears the final brunt for the consequences (e.g.poor QoS, fines, revenue cut, and loss of customers), Afrinic or resource owner?</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I still insist this policy isn't ripe, because;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>1. The Legal team must include this on the impact assessment, clearly stating responsibility for liability.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>2. The policy must include text stating these policies and mitigation plans.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>3. Since it has become a trend to follow other RIRs, why do you think most have rejected this policy so far?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>4. How did the RIRs who have adopted this policy tackled this scenario legally?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"garamond",serif'>Best Regards,</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"garamond",serif'>Anthony </span></b><b><span style='font-family:"garamond",serif'>Ubah </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 11:00 AM PDWG Chair <<a href="mailto:dacostadarwin@gmail.com">dacostadarwin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear PDWG, </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This is to announce the official start of the last call period for the following policy proposal (in line with the provisions of the CPM):</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>URL: </span><span style='color:black'><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-006-d3" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC'>https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-006-d3</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The proposal reached rough consensus at the Public Policy Meeting held 2-3 June 2021 in online format. This last call period will run for a period of two weeks as a minimum. The closing date will be communicated to the mailing list depending on the feedback received. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Regards,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>PDWG Co-Chairs.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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