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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(I’ve changed the subject to resolve your point C below)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Eddy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>While I mostly agree with you and I will love to trust all the parties involved, we really need to understand what happened, not to find any guilty, but to restore the trust.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If somebody said “we didn’t receive the email” and actually it was received, but for example considered incomplete, we need to know it. Otherwise, misunderstandings on the same issue may happen again in the future. I love to think that we all, like to learn from errors and correct/avoid them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Where I completely disagree with you is in the need for B.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Following the PDP section 3.4.4 (approval):<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>“The Working Group Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the AFRINIC Board of Directors for approval if it has the consensus of the Policy Development Working Group. The recommendation shall include a report of the discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last Call. The draft policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There are two possibilities in this case:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>If the email was sent, and we can see the headers from AK emails, then there is nothing to do, just the Board MUST proceed with the ratification or disclose to the PDWG the rationale for not doing so.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>If for whatever reason we can’t get those headers and verify the emails were sent, it is clear that the PDP doesn’t state that the same chairs are the ones to ask for the ratification. In fact, for many reasons, a ratification process can happen in the middle of co-chairs takeover, so nothing strange. It can happen that the “outgoing” co-chairs have already prepared the report and the “incoming” co-chairs just send it (which will be the case if AK provides the documents), or it can happen that the incoming co-chairs need to redo the job (review emails and videos on those policy proposal discussions to prepare the report).<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>However what it is clear is that consensus *<b>was</b>* already determined and there is only one pending issue in one of the proposals, regarding the appeal, which I’ve already asked to the board in a couple of previous emails:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Will the board procceed with a ratification for a proposal that has a pending appeal resolution until the appeal process is completed, or will ratify and then revert the decision if the appeal succedds?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Note that for in my personal view, even if this is not clearly stated in the PDP, the response is obvious: the board should wait for the appeal proccess to finish. However, it is important to know the board interpretation, in case this is a point at the PDP that requires a very simple 1-paragraph proposal to clarify it in the PDP, so we can come back in the future to the same question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 8/4/21 11:14, "Eddy Kayihura" <<a href="mailto:eddy@afrinic.net">eddy@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>[French Below]</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>Dear PDWG,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:#1D1C1D;background:#F8F8F8'>I have been reading your exchanges with much interest and </span><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>allow me to share my thoughts on the matter here.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>I trust the previous Co-chairs to be men of their words.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>I trust my team that was tasked to investigate the logs and came back empty-handed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>I trust myself and my fellow Board members who have all confirmed that they have not received such an email.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>I also trust that the PDWG realise that there is a process in place that must be followed and hiding an email does not derail the process. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>So, as a constructive way forward, I suggest the following:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>A) Can the previous Co-chairs kindly forward the reports in question to the RPD list so that they are on public record?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>B) Once the new Co-chairs are in place, the PDWG agrees on how to move forward with the documents;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>C) We go back to discussing the issue at hand as indicated by the subject of this thread.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>Eddy Kayihura</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>CEO AFRINIC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>#######</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>Cher PDWG,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>Je lis avec intérêt les divers échanges et permettez-moi de partager mes idées sur ce sujet.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>J’ai confiance que les anciens Co-chairs tiennent leur parole.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>J’ai confiance en mon équipe qui a analysé les logs et n’y ont rien trouvé.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>J’ai confiance en moi-même et aux mes collègues du Board qui ont tous confirmés ne pas avoir reçu cet email.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>J’ai aussi confiance que les PDWG réalise que nous avons des procédures en place et que cacher un email ne peut en aucun cas dérailler la procédure.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'>Je fais donc la proposition suivante dans le but d’évoluer d’une manière constructive :</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>A)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'>Est-ce que les Co-chairs précédents peuvent renvoyer les rapports en questions sur la liste RPD and qu’ils deviennent public ?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>B)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'>Des que les nouveaux Co-chairs seront en position, le PDWG pourra s’accorder sur la procédure a suivre avec ces documents ;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>C)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'>Nous continuons a discuter sur le sujet qui est bien référencé dans le titre de l’email.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'>Cordialement,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'>Eddy Kayihura</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif'>CEO AFRINIC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 April 2021 12:28<br><b>To:</b> rpd <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] PDWG Co-Chairs Selection pursuant to Section 3.3 of CPM |</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Noah,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think we are mixing up things here. Long email, but I think is important to understand this thread.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I was talking “in general”, not about any specific policy proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, when I say that the chairs can’t judge the impact analysis as part of the determination of consensus, I mean in “any” policy proposal. The PDP doesn’t state anything about that, among other reasons, because that will break what it means consensus. Consensus is determined by objections of the community. If the community believes that the impact analysis is correct, the community can object to a policy based on that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>However, the community can also ignore the impact analysis, because a) they don’t think is correct, or b) they simply decide that it is not a community relevant issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>For example, an impact analysis may consider that a policy *<b>if implemented</b>* in time frame “x” or using method “y”, can be dangerous for the organization. However, the community may believe that this is resolved by implementing the policy in phases, or “3x”, and/or using method “z”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This can happen because the impact analysis comes late (which happened many many many times) and the staff has not considered other choices, or just because the community discovers a better way to do things than the staff (more people, more eyes and brains to look into a problem and provide possible solutions). It can also happen because the staff is interpreting something in the policy in the wrong way and gets clarified in the policy meeting, which happened also several times.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In addition to that, the board could *<b>also</b>*, when working in the policy ratification, believe that there are alternative ways to do it, or balance between the benefits and the cost, etc. In fact, even could happen in the other way around: the impact analysis may be “ok” for a proposal, reach consensus and later on, the board in the ratification find something that is not good.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>To put all this in context, we shall remember that a policy doesn’t state, the implementation timing and in general, should avoid implementation/operational details, but that doesn’t preclude a proposal, authors or community to provide inputs or hints on all that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Yes, the PDWG should be responsible when evaluating proposals and that means *<b>ALSO</b>* to look at the impact analysis “with a grain of salt” (and I personally always read and discuss the anlysis impact of every proposal as it is very helpful). We have the right to disagree or even ignore it. The community good doesn’t neccesarily match 100% with the organization good, and in terms of policies the community decision is *<b>on top</b>* of the organization. The board has the right to object if they can justify that. Is part of their work. The board members are also community members and they could, if they find something really “bad”, bring that to the discussion (speaking in their personal capacity) before it reaches consensus. I’m convinced that nobody has honestly interest to “delay” a proposal (either to reach consensus or to not-reach it, or to ratify it or to not-ratify it), so as sooner as all the points come to the table, much better.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>We also shall remember that the board could be wrong and their decision about a ratification, can also be discussed by the organization membership, and that’s why, if this happens, the community which includes the membership, can always, have the same topic of a policy on the discussion table again.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I feel that the cases where the board stops a policy should be very very very strange, and this is why in the history of the 5 RIRs, I recall only a couple of cases. There is nothing wrong on that. There should be a good balance between community and organization protection.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Now, coming to the inter-RIR proposal under appeal (and the other 2), when each proposal has been presented and in the meetings were they have been discussed, I was the first one telliing 2 out of 3 of the proposals are non-reciprocal, and asked the authors and staff to verify with the other RIRs. I was even insulted because I was asking that. However finally, when that was done (after 2 meetings, unfortunatelly, so we lost a LOT of time), the conclusion was that I was completely right.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>So this proves that the impact analysis of 2 proposals missed a key point, because a non-reciprocal policy means that the benefit of the inter-RIR transfers is lost. As said before an analysis impact is very helpful and we should always push for having it ASAP, but we should not take it “literally” or as a “must”. In fact in other RIRs, it is *<b>clearly stated</b>* in the analysis impact that it is the “staff” view and not neccesarily a “final true” or “mandatory recommendations” neither for or against the proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>El 7/4/21 21:48, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>For your other responses, we can revisit them with a DPP in the near future, however.....<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 9:33 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt'><span lang=EN-US>in order to protect the Org but what is puzzling to me is co-chairs ignoring not only WG valid objections but also staff impact analysis and forge ahead with a recommendation for ratification of a proposal that would impact the Organization.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m8277360860416948725msolistparagraph style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>è</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don’t agree here. The chairs can’t judge the impact analysis if the community decides to ignore it </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>In this case, the community aka the PDWG did not ignore the staff impact analysis. In fact resource members even tasked AFRINIC member services to feedback on the Impact of e.g the Resource Transfer Proposal. Participants in this working group including myself have repeatedly pointed to the staff impact analysis of the transfer proposals and to a lesser extent the board prerogative proposal. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>The fact is that a number of members of the PDWG who have participated in the discussions have never ignored the impact analysis which is why some requested the policy liaison to seek further clarity on the valid issues of reciprocity while others tasked the member services to feedback on financial impact to the Org.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=gmail-m8277360860416948725msolistparagraph style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>(or not trust it, or believe is wrong, or whatever). I’ve seen several “wrong” impact analysis in several RIRs, and this is only proved if the policy is allowed to go thru. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>In my case and that of few I know, in fact trust the staff impact analysis to be valid and serious for the case of resource transfer policy and am not sure if folks ever took time to go through the analysis here; <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-003-d3#impact">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-003-d3#impact</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=gmail-m8277360860416948725msolistparagraph style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>However, if the organization is put in risk, that’s why the PDP should ensure that the board has the prerogative to justify the “no ratification and return to the PDWG”.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Why wait for the organization to be put at risk yet members of the PDWG are already anticipating risks from the said proposals. I would rather the PDWG resolved the risks of the proposal taking into consideration that valid objections and staff impact analysis issues have been addressed before the WG managers can send the proposal to the board for ratification with a full blessing of the entire WG.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>We have to be a responsible PDWG Jordi......<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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