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    <p>Hi Jordi, All,</p>
    <p>Just to be clear, whilst related, the two proposals are indeed
      separate / severable.</p>
    <p>I also think it's important to make note that we need chairs
      prior to the meeting in order to enable a more constructive
      meeting (policy/proposal preparation and finalisation prior to the
      meeting).</p>
    <p>Kind Regards,<br>
      Jaco<br>
    </p>
    On 2021/04/08 20:21, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I also agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">However, if somebody disagree with the point 2
            below, that should not be a blocking point or worry right
            now, because as I mention the other day, we can ask the
            elected chairs to allow the PDWG to discuss a simple
            1-paragraph proposal, using the 3.6 varying the process,
            such as:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Times;color:black;background:white"
            lang="EN-US">“In case any of the chairs have been recalled,
            the selected replacement will serve a full term in such way
            that it coincides with the staggered two-year terms ending
            after the closer PPM to match the term.”</span><span
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 8/4/21
              20:04, "Mark Elkins" <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za"
                moz-do-not-send="true">mje@posix.co.za</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I really, really like this idea -
          especially the consensus part... and also as it seems we only
          have two truly suitable candidates.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><i>1.  We select the two
              candidates as above, in my opinion with Vincent in the
              two-year tenure and Darwin in the one year tenure.  By
              consensus if possible.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I have individually asked both
          Vincent and Darwin whether they would be agreeable to this and
          they both stated <b>Yes </b>as per above.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><i>        2.  Given that the next
            meeting is two months from now, I would like to propose that
            we measure these<br>
                    tenures as from "this year" such that the effective
            tenures will be one and two years respectively from now,...</i><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I also agree with this - I don't
          want a repeat of all this in two months time.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I don't expect full consensus - I
          honestly expect between 4 and 10 people to say No, and to
          repeat that several times. I would though love to see masses
          of support for this. This will save quite a bit of time (and
          money).. and allow us all to proceed fairly quickly with new
          Co-Chairs - and back to a level of sanity!<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Please can we sort this out by <b>Reasonable
            Consensus!</b><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 4/8/21 6:16
            PM, Jaco Kroon wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Given that we've repeatedly
            stated that there should be a nominator and a seconder for
            all nominations, this means we only really received 3
            nominations (3,4,5 below).<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Given that Abulkarim (4) was one
            of the co-chairs removed by the recall committee, and there
            has been controversy around the previous co-chairs, in my
            opinion we only really have two candidates.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">And both of these candidates
            seems to be good choices.  From Vincent's (3) nomination, by
            Barry:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">"Vincent is an outstanding
            person for the PDWG as he was the first co-chair of the same
            back in the days. we need to bring back the fundamental
            values and hence i nominate him"<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I could not agree more about
            bringing back the fundamentals, and plainly Vincent has
            experience in a co-chair position that we desperately need
            at this point in time.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regarding Darwin (5), I've gone
            back and read a fair number of his emails over the last year
            or so, and Darwin in my opinion has a level head, the
            ability to reason and understand as well.  I could not find
            a single example of him being involved personally in a
            controversy in spite of him providing his opinion on a
            number of topics.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I would thus like to make two
            proposals.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">1.  We select the two candidates
            as above, in my opinion with Vincent in the two-year tenure
            and Darwin in the one year tenure.  By consensus if
            possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">2.  Given that the next meeting
            is two months from now, I would like to propose that we
            measure these tenures as from "this year" such that the
            effective tenures will be one and two years respectively
            from now, and not "puppet" and "one year" effectively.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Kind Regards,<br>
            Jaco<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 2021/04/08
            16:26, AFRINIC Policy Liaison wrote:<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Dear Colleagues</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">As mentioned in
                  our email on 7 April 2021, AFRINIC as Secretariat had
                  started the process of contacting the nominators that
                  were mentioned in the nomination forms of the
                  candidates .  The update feedback received is as
                  follows:-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Wijdane Goubi  - 
                  Nominator did not approve as per email received <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Anthony Ikechukwu
                  Ubah -  Nominator did not approve as per email
                  received <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      "Times New Roman"">                  </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Vincent Ngundi -
                  Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email
                  received<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt
                      "Times New Roman"">                  </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Adbulkarim
                  Oloyede -  Both nominator & Seconder approved as
                  per email received<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Darwin da Costa -
                  Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email
                  received<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p
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                      "Times New Roman"">                  </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Elvis Ibeanusi -
                  Nominator approved as per  email  received<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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