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    <p>I fully support Jaco's proposal and Mark's email below</p>
    <p>Fernando Frediani<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/04/2021 14:56, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
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      <p>I really, really like this idea - especially the consensus
        part... and also as it seems we only have two truly suitable
        candidates.<br>
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        <p><i>1.  We select the two candidates as above, in my opinion
            with Vincent in the two-year tenure and Darwin in the one
            year tenure.  By consensus if possible.</i></p>
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      <p>I have individually asked both Vincent and Darwin whether they
        would be agreeable to this and they both stated <b>Yes </b>as
        per above.<br>
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      <p><i>        2.  Given that the next meeting is two months from
          now, I would like to propose that we measure these<br>
                  tenures as from "this year" such that the effective
          tenures will be one and two years respectively from now,...</i><br>
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      <p>I also agree with this - I don't want a repeat of all this in
        two months time.</p>
      <p>I don't expect full consensus - I honestly expect between 4 and
        10 people to say No, and to repeat that several times. I would
        though love to see masses of support for this. This will save
        quite a bit of time (and money).. and allow us all to proceed
        fairly quickly with new Co-Chairs - and back to a level of
        sanity!<br>
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      <p>Please can we sort this out by <b>Reasonable Consensus!</b><br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/21 6:16 PM, Jaco Kroon wrote:<br>
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        <p>Hi All,</p>
        <p>Given that we've repeatedly stated that there should be a
          nominator and a seconder for all nominations, this means we
          only really received 3 nominations (3,4,5 below).</p>
        <p>Given that Abulkarim (4) was one of the co-chairs removed by
          the recall committee, and there has been controversy around
          the previous co-chairs, in my opinion we only really have two
          candidates.</p>
        <p>And both of these candidates seems to be good choices.  From
          Vincent's (3) nomination, by Barry:</p>
        <p>"Vincent is an outstanding person for the PDWG as he was the
          first co-chair of the same back in the days. we need to bring
          back the fundamental values and hence i nominate him"</p>
        <p>I could not agree more about bringing back the fundamentals,
          and plainly Vincent has experience in a co-chair position that
          we desperately need at this point in time.<br>
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        <p>Regarding Darwin (5), I've gone back and read a fair number
          of his emails over the last year or so, and Darwin in my
          opinion has a level head, the ability to reason and understand
          as well.  I could not find a single example of him being
          involved personally in a controversy in spite of him providing
          his opinion on a number of topics.<br>
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        <p>I would thus like to make two proposals.</p>
        <p>1.  We select the two candidates as above, in my opinion with
          Vincent in the two-year tenure and Darwin in the one year
          tenure.  By consensus if possible.</p>
        <p>2.  Given that the next meeting is two months from now, I
          would like to propose that we measure these tenures as from
          "this year" such that the effective tenures will be one and
          two years respectively from now, and not "puppet" and "one
          year" effectively.</p>
        <p>Kind Regards,<br>
          Jaco<br>
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        On 2021/04/08 16:26, AFRINIC Policy Liaison wrote:<br>
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                style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">As mentioned in our email on 7 April 2021, AFRINIC as Secretariat had started the process of contacting the nominators that were mentioned in the nomination forms of the candidates .  The update feedback received is as follows:-</span></p>
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                <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;" aria-level="1"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Vincent Ngundi - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email received</span></p></li>
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                <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;" aria-level="1"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Darwin da Costa - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email received</span></p></li>
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