<div dir="ltr">Jordi <div><br></div><div>I agree with your suggestion to invoke 3.6 that is if some WG participants disagree with the Jaco/Ish/Elkins preference.<div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><b>./noah</b></div><div>neo - network engineering and operations<b><br></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 9:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I also agree.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">However, if somebody disagree with the point 2 below, that should not be a blocking point or worry right now, because as I mention the other day, we can ask the elected chairs to allow the PDWG to discuss a simple 1-paragraph proposal, using the 3.6 varying the process, such as:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Times;color:black;background:white">“In case any of the chairs have been recalled, the selected replacement will serve a full term in such way that it coincides with the staggered two-year terms ending after the closer PPM to match the term.”</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 8/4/21 20:04, "Mark Elkins" <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I really, really like this idea - especially the consensus part... and also as it seems we only have two truly suitable candidates.<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><i>1. We select the two candidates as above, in my opinion with Vincent in the two-year tenure and Darwin in the one year tenure. By consensus if possible.</i><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I have individually asked both Vincent and Darwin whether they would be agreeable to this and they both stated <b>Yes </b>as per above.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><i> 2. Given that the next meeting is two months from now, I would like to propose that we measure these<br> tenures as from "this year" such that the effective tenures will be one and two years respectively from now,...</i><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I also agree with this - I don't want a repeat of all this in two months time.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I don't expect full consensus - I honestly expect between 4 and 10 people to say No, and to repeat that several times. I would though love to see masses of support for this. This will save quite a bit of time (and money).. and allow us all to proceed fairly quickly with new Co-Chairs - and back to a level of sanity!<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Please can we sort this out by <b>Reasonable Consensus!</b><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 4/8/21 6:16 PM, Jaco Kroon wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Given that we've repeatedly stated that there should be a nominator and a seconder for all nominations, this means we only really received 3 nominations (3,4,5 below).<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Given that Abulkarim (4) was one of the co-chairs removed by the recall committee, and there has been controversy around the previous co-chairs, in my opinion we only really have two candidates.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">And both of these candidates seems to be good choices. From Vincent's (3) nomination, by Barry:<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">"Vincent is an outstanding person for the PDWG as he was the first co-chair of the same back in the days. we need to bring back the fundamental values and hence i nominate him"<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I could not agree more about bringing back the fundamentals, and plainly Vincent has experience in a co-chair position that we desperately need at this point in time.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regarding Darwin (5), I've gone back and read a fair number of his emails over the last year or so, and Darwin in my opinion has a level head, the ability to reason and understand as well. I could not find a single example of him being involved personally in a controversy in spite of him providing his opinion on a number of topics.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I would thus like to make two proposals.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">1. We select the two candidates as above, in my opinion with Vincent in the two-year tenure and Darwin in the one year tenure. By consensus if possible.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">2. Given that the next meeting is two months from now, I would like to propose that we measure these tenures as from "this year" such that the effective tenures will be one and two years respectively from now, and not "puppet" and "one year" effectively.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Kind Regards,<br>Jaco<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 2021/04/08 16:26, AFRINIC Policy Liaison wrote:<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Dear Colleagues</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">As mentioned in our email on 7 April 2021, AFRINIC as Secretariat had started the process of contacting the nominators that were mentioned in the nomination forms of the candidates . The update feedback received is as follows:-</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:71.4pt;vertical-align:baseline"><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"><span>1.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Wijdane Goubi - Nominator did not approve as per email received <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-indent:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"><span>2.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Anthony Ikechukwu Ubah - Nominator did not approve as per email received <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-indent:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"><span>3.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Vincent Ngundi - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email received<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-indent:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"><span>4.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Adbulkarim Oloyede - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email received<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-indent:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"><span>5.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Darwin da Costa - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email received<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-indent:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"><span>6.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Elvis Ibeanusi - 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