<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Fernando,</div><br><div>Even if that proposal got lost between co-chairs and AfriNIC, it should not be a big deal. Once we have new co-chairs, the authors can just submit their last version. If we got consensus on the last version, surely we should get it again on the same version or with very little tweaking, otherwise we ourselves are not very consistent. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 17:21, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>There is no abuse or exaggeration.</p>
<p>There is a important matter that has been unable to be clarified
so far that involves a proposal that has been discussed for months
and supposedly sent to the Board for ratification which the
AfriNic denies. This situation must be resolved one way of
another, otherwise PDWG may be failing in one of its main propose
which is discuss proposals and pass them. It becomes a waste of
everybody's time.</p>
<p>All has been requested to AK is to share with this group the
original emails/messages attached, nothing else. That is not
secret information or something to be treated with care. If that
can be done it helps progress and end this unanswered questions.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
</p>
<div>On 07/04/2021 11:30, Daniel Yakmut via
RPD wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Once again we are descending into the pit of name calling and
abuses. I think we are putting undue pressure on this matter.
What is the worse that can happen if AK refuse to respond to any
of our demand? I am also amuse at the level that we are critical
of very unimportant issues.</p>
<p>I also think we should allow AK to vent out, he is not doing
that for anyone to help him out, it is his right.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Simply,</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
</p>
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<div>On 07/04/2021 11:25 am, Murungi
Daniel via RPD wrote:<br>
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Dear Abdulkarim,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am no imaging expert but some of the icons in the
screenshot you sent have different resolutions from the rest
of the document. Not sure if this was caused by you printing
then scanning the excerpt you shared.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>That said, your cause would be best served if you
forwarded the emails directly to the RPD list. Additionally,
share the raw message headers. This will help the AFRINIC team
ease the process of sifting through the logs on their end.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>IMHO, sir, your outburst below does not aid your
cause one bit. Kindly keep in mind that you are not talking
children.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Murungi Daniel</div>
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<div>On Apr 7, 2021, at 8:37 AM, ABDULKARIM
OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="auto">
<div>Dear Noah,
<div dir="auto">The last time I checked you
were neither my employer nor my parent. Am sure if
we work for the same employer you can't be my
superior at work. I wonder why you would think I
would take instructions from you. </div>
<div dir="auto">Please show some respect
and keep those rude instructions to AFRINIC.</div>
<div dir="auto"> Enjoy your day. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">AK.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 7 Apr
2021, 00:35 Noah, <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">Hi Abdulkarim
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I see you attached
screenshots of email exchanges.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Forward the said
email to this PDWG rpd list including the
report.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Noah</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 7
Apr 2021, 02:24 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all.
<div>I didn't want to do this
earlier for personal reasons. However,
It seems some people are just out to
tarnish my name and reputation. I wish
them the best of luck in doing that. at
least they now have a serious job.</div>
<div>Some also forget that I have
a day job and I wear so many other
lovely hats and I sometimes deserve some
sabbatical leave from their ranting.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Please find attached the
email correspondence between myself and
the Policy liaison officer leading to
the preparation of the document and the
email sent by the co-chairs to the board
for ratification. </div>
<div>Please relax and enjoy
reading the attachment.</div>
<div>I hope this clarifies all
the issues.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>AK</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue,
Apr 6, 2021 at 4:20 PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:59 PM Darwin
Costa <<a href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dc@darwincosta.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>On 6 Apr 2021,
at 15:18, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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@Jordi, if I was you I would
hold my horses until we see
evidences from one or the
other side. Until then…… </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is what I am also
telling Jordi because it's
pointless for him to spread
conspiracy theories based on his
private chats with Abdulkarim who
has never shown this PDWG any
evidence that they former
co-chairs sent such email to the
board or even copied this working
group as its a practise. Afrinic
feedback clearly states not even a
log on their side can be traced of
such communications and as such,
that is Afrinic evidence.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Therefore, Abdulkarims
reluctance to forward such email
to the WG, shows that there is
either no such email, or if there
was, then it's very unprofessional
of him that not even his
excuses about being on sabbatical
leave hold water rather than shows
another complete disregard to this
WG and a clear vote of no
confidence. in the man.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>it's been a couple of
weeks, lets see the
evidence......PERIOD.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Noah<br>
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