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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Noah,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We are talking about different things here. Forget about for a minute about if I believe we should have “this or that” inter-RIR policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I fully agree with you that the inter-RIR *<b>didn’t reached consensus</b>* (or said in another way, the process was wrongly followed by the chairs, as confirmed by the recall).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>However, the chairs declared consensus and unless the appeal succeed, *<b>it has consensus</b>*.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What I’m talking is about process:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chairs declare consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chairs send it for ratification.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If there is an appeal, the board has to wait for the appeal to be resolved before ratifying it.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Board could *<b>in any case</b>* in order to “protect” the organization, *<b>decide</b>* that a policy can’t be ratified and resend it to the PDWG (in other RIRs this is even clearly stated in the PDP). But the board need to have very serius criteria for doing so.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Board could ratify a proposal but if they don’t agree with it, considering the bylaws, they could also at the same time, approve a “contrary” policy, which will be in place immediately *<b>until</b>* it is endorsed by the community at the next meeting. If not endorsed, it will then be withdrawed.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 7/4/21 19:20, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 7:48 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I need to disagree with you here.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Both proposals reached consensus. That’s a fact.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>No Jordi the <b>Resource Transfer Policy</b> with all its multiple versions, v.1 v.2, v.3 and I believe v.4 did not reach consensus due to lack of following the process.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I know you are obsessed with wanting to see an IPv4 Inter-RIR transfer policy in place within our AFRINIC service region but that has to only happen through a clear PDP process and with all valid objections addressed including the serious financial implication that AFRINIC staff indicated when tasks by its resource members not withstanding staff impact analysis. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>One of them is pending on an appeal, so the board need to wait for that to be resolved.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Yes and that is part of the process and the appeals state clearly why that specific proposal never achieved consensus and why it should be taken back to the WG for further discussion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>In any case, the board could return both proposals to the PDWG, if they have *<b>strong</b>* reasons to object to the ratification.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>They could even decide that they ratify the proposal but also take a “contrary” proposal, which will take immediate effect, to be endorsed by the community in the next meeting, which can leave without effect the ratification.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I would not support such a rushed move by the AFRINIC board. If a proposal has issues, it's the role of the WG to fine tune it until the WG agrees that yes, now we have a proposal that the co-chairs can send to the board for consideration like we have done with so many proposals in the past.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Therefore, your piecemeal approach is very dangerous and we have taken some lessons from past mistakes as a WG that we can not afford to rush with piecemeal proposals just because folks can come back and fine tune the said policy. Why not the WG resolve all issues with the proposal before it can be sent for ratification. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>FWIW, Inter-RIR transfer proposals especially for our region ought to be treated with caution in light of all the fraud and we shall not blindly rush things here Jordi.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Noah <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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