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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I don’t think this is the way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(by the way, I believe now is clear that it has not been “lost”, just hidden)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>After looking at your email, I’ve been reading *<b>again</b>* the PDP on this and for me is clear that there is no need for a new version or new consensus. Ideally and hopefully, AK can send the documents, it will be the best even if they need to be reviewed or updated, otherwise, the new co-chairs will need to waste some time to redo the document from scratch, read all the emails, look at the meeting videos, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The PDP doesn’t mention anything such as “if chairs are replaced” a previously declared consensus need to be re-achieved before sending a proposal for ratification. And I think that’s very reasonable, because this can happen (the replacement of co-chairs) for many different reasons and it should not impact the process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 7/4/21 17:54, "John Hay" <<a href="mailto:john@sanren.ac.za">john@sanren.ac.za</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Fernando,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Even if that proposal got lost between co-chairs and AfriNIC, it should not be a big deal. Once we have new co-chairs, the authors can just submit their last version. If we got consensus on the last version, surely we should get it again on the same version or with very little tweaking, otherwise we ourselves are not very consistent. :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 17:21, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>There is no abuse or exaggeration.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>There is a important matter that has been unable to be clarified so far that involves a proposal that has been discussed for months and supposedly sent to the Board for ratification which the AfriNic denies. This situation must be resolved one way of another, otherwise PDWG may be failing in one of its main propose which is discuss proposals and pass them. It becomes a waste of everybody's time.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>All has been requested to AK is to share with this group the original emails/messages attached, nothing else. That is not secret information or something to be treated with care. If that can be done it helps progress and end this unanswered questions.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards<br>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 07/04/2021 11:30, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Once again we are descending into the pit of name calling and abuses. I think we are putting undue pressure on this matter. What is the worse that can happen if AK refuse to respond to any of our demand? I am also amuse at the level that we are critical of very unimportant issues.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I also think we should allow AK to vent out, he is not doing that for anyone to help him out, it is his right.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Simply,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Daniel<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 07/04/2021 11:25 am, Murungi Daniel via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear Abdulkarim, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Am no imaging expert but some of the icons in the screenshot you sent have different resolutions from the rest of the document. Not sure if this was caused by you printing then scanning the excerpt you shared.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>That said, your cause would be best served if you forwarded the emails directly to the RPD list. Additionally, share the raw message headers. This will help the AFRINIC team ease the process of sifting through the logs on their end.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>IMHO, sir, your outburst below does not aid your cause one bit. Kindly keep in mind that you are not talking children.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Murungi Daniel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Apr 7, 2021, at 8:37 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear Noah, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The last time I checked you were neither my employer nor my parent. Am sure if we work for the same employer you can't be my superior at work. I wonder why you would think I would take instructions from you. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please show some respect and keep those rude instructions to AFRINIC.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Enjoy your day. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>AK.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Wed, 7 Apr 2021, 00:35 Noah, <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Abdulkarim <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I see you attached screenshots of email exchanges.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Forward the said email to this PDWG rpd list including the report.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Wed, 7 Apr 2021, 02:24 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear all. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I didn't want to do this earlier for personal reasons. However, It seems some people are just out to tarnish my name and reputation. I wish them the best of luck in doing that. at least they now have a serious job.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Some also forget that I have a day job and I wear so many other lovely hats and I sometimes deserve some sabbatical leave from their ranting.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please find attached the email correspondence between myself and the Policy liaison officer leading to the preparation of the document and the email sent by the co-chairs to the board for ratification. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please relax and enjoy reading the attachment.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I hope this clarifies all the issues.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>AK<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:20 PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:59 PM Darwin Costa <<a href="mailto:dc@darwincosta.com" target="_blank">dc@darwincosta.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 6 Apr 2021, at 15:18, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>@Jordi, if I was you I would hold my horses until we see evidences from one or the other side. Until then…… <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This is what I am also telling Jordi because it's pointless for him to spread conspiracy theories based on his private chats with Abdulkarim who has never shown this PDWG any evidence that they former co-chairs sent such email to the board or even copied this working group as its a practise. Afrinic feedback clearly states not even a log on their side can be traced of such communications and as such, that is Afrinic evidence.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Therefore, Abdulkarims reluctance to forward such email to the WG, shows that there is either no such email, or if there was, then it's very unprofessional of him that not even his excuses about being on sabbatical leave hold water rather than shows another complete disregard to this WG and a clear vote of no confidence. in the man.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>it's been a couple of weeks, lets see the evidence......PERIOD.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>Website</span></a><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>, <a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin" target="_blank">Weekly Bulletin</a> <a href="http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank">UGPortal</a> <a href="https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank">PGPortal</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>Website</span></a><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>, <a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin" target="_blank">Weekly Bulletin</a> <a href="http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank">UGPortal</a> <a href="https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank">PGPortal</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>RPD mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>RPD mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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