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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/04/2021 14:43, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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lang="EN-US">Board could ratify a proposal but if they
don’t agree with it, considering the bylaws, they could
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That part of bylaws means nothing to PDWG. If they would ever do
that it would open a precedent that has the potential to question
AfriNic internationally to continuing to existing and be recognized
as a RIR.<br>
Bylaws is made by members-only and members-only are not allowed to
determine unilaterally what the policies will be unless that is give
to them by PDWG which has never happened.<br>
<p>Therefore that part of the bylaws should be rejected, dismissed
and ideally removed by the next General Assembly.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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19:20, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Wed,
Apr 7, 2021 at 7:48 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I need to
disagree with you here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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proposals reached consensus. That’s a fact.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">No Jordi
the <b>Resource Transfer Policy</b> with all its
multiple versions, v.1 v.2, v.3 and I believe v.4 did
not reach consensus due to lack of following the
process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I know you
are obsessed with wanting to see an IPv4 Inter-RIR
transfer policy in place within our AFRINIC service
region but that has to only happen through a clear PDP
process and with all valid objections addressed
including the serious financial implication that AFRINIC
staff indicated when tasks by its resource members not
withstanding staff impact analysis. <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">One of them
is pending on an appeal, so the board need to wait
for that to be resolved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Yes and
that is part of the process and the appeals state
clearly why that specific proposal never achieved
consensus and why it should be taken back to the WG for
further discussion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">In any case,
the board could return both proposals to the PDWG,
if they have *<b>strong</b>* reasons to object to
the ratification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">They could
even decide that they ratify the proposal but also
take a “contrary” proposal, which will take
immediate effect, to be endorsed by the community
in the next meeting, which can leave without
effect the ratification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I would
not support such a rushed move by the AFRINIC board. If
a proposal has issues, it's the role of the WG to fine
tune it until the WG agrees that yes, now we have a
proposal that the co-chairs can send to the board for
consideration like we have done with so many proposals
in the past.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Therefore,
your piecemeal approach is very dangerous and we have
taken some lessons from past mistakes as a WG that we
can not afford to rush with piecemeal proposals just
because folks can come back and fine tune the said
policy. Why not the WG resolve all issues with the
proposal before it can be sent for ratification. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">FWIW,
Inter-RIR transfer proposals especially for our region
ought to be treated with caution in light of all the
fraud and we shall not blindly rush things here Jordi.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Noah <o:p></o:p></p>
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