<div dir="auto"><div>Hello Jordi, </div><div dir="auto">Comments inline. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 3:24 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_929678096905721342WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12.0pt">Exactly.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">A policy author in bad faith, in order to try to get the proposal moving on, can:<u></u><u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"><li class="m_929678096905721342MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Withdraw from the proposal if there are other co-authors.</span></li></ol></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Sounds rationale but there could still be conflict of interest. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_929678096905721342WordSection1"><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"><li class="m_929678096905721342MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_929678096905721342MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Drop the proposal and ask a friend to be the “author”.</span></li></ol></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Shows possible cause for conflict of interest. </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_929678096905721342WordSection1"><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"><li class="m_929678096905721342MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">In both cases, he/she can still behind the scenes, work towards the declaration of consensus on this proposal.</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Still shows possible cause for conflict of interest. </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_929678096905721342WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It is very easy to manipulate.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Exactly.. So if on chair recuse himself/herself does the CPM allows for one chair to reach concensus without bias. My opinion is that if you have a policy drop it. Literally, you can't eat your cake and try to still game the system by having it back. That is why we have roles and privileges in a system. </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_929678096905721342WordSection1"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">And again, where, in the PDP, it says that the co-chair can be enforced to 1 or 2 above? Even if he/she agree on that, there is no way to enforce it. He can be dropped as a co-author in v1 and re-appear in v3. As said, it can be behind the scenes.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Again, It creates bias and conflict of interest. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_929678096905721342WordSection1"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 1/4/21 15:57, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Thu, 1 Apr 2021, 16:26 Brice ABBA, <<a href="mailto:brice@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">brice@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">[Français en bas]</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“The intended volunteer should not be the author of any of the policy proposals currently under discussion and if need be, agree to recuse oneself as author/co-author of any policy proposals under discussion, or simply recuse oneself from the position as Co-Chairs pending his or her proposal being discussed.”</span></i><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">And who will take up the role of ownership of the said proposal?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Will the said Author as co-chair also spend time gathering inputs for their own proposal?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">And how will the said Author turned co-chair argue for their proposal?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Imho, members of the PDWG can choose to participate in the PDP, as WG members, managers (co-chairs) , AC members etc but can't be both, so as to avoid finding one self in a conflicting positions because its not ideal to be both a judge and executioner. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">If authors want to manage the WG, then they should withdraw their proposals completely. 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