<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 28, 2021, at 4:58 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">Dear Caleb,</p><p class="">Let me begin by understanding whether we are electing a new set
of Co-Chairs to start a new tenure <b class="">or</b> are we selecting an
interim Co-chairs for the purpose of the upcoming PPM <b class="">or </b>are
we selecting co-chairs to complete the tenure of the recalled
co-chairs?</p></div></div></blockquote>IMHO, Section 3.3 of the CPM makes it very clear that all we can do right now is select interim co-chairs to finish out the terms of the recalled co-chairs. Thus IMHO, the person with the most votes should get a term which ends at the PDWG meeting in 2022 and the person with the next highest vote count should get a term which ends at the next PDWG meeting.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">I am asking, because I understand your contributions in the
direction that, what we have been rambling on, is all about having
an Interim co-chairs. Similarly, the sections you are quoting
speaks about completion of tenure. The example also clearly shows
the same thought line.</p><p class="">I am seeking this clarification, is Madhvi now the chair of the
an ECOM? Let us be explicit in what we are doing or what we
intend to do. I really don't want to speculate.</p><p class="">I want to reiterate again, let us stick to the rules and guides
enshrined in the CPM without being clever with interpretations of
its' contents. <br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>If we stick to the rules, then interim co-chairs are to be selected by the PDWG. There is no provision for a nominating committee, nor is there any provision for imposing any requirements outside of the minimal guidance in section 3.3 of the CPM. This means that the criteria proposed can serve as an advisory to the group in evaluating candidates prior to whatever selection process is implemented, but cannot be imposed in order to block someone’s candidacy for the office.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Further, IMHO, the selection process must be:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Deterministic — It must yield a definitive outcome through a single instance of the process.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Fair — We must avoid disenfranchisement of legitimate members of the PDWG and we must not apply arbitrary</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>policies ad hoc to eliminate candidates from consideration.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>IMHO, unless we get only 2 candidates and can somehow achieve consensus about which one gets the shorter term and both candidates are acceptable to the PDWG as a whole, it would be very difficult to create a process other than election which meets the above 2 criteria.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">
</p><p class="">S.......,</p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/03/2021 7:19 pm, Caleb Olumuyiwa
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Hello Daniel,
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<div class="">I think what Noah was referring to was the invocation of
section 3.3 in part which says:</div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px" class=""><b style="" class=""><i style="" class=""><font color="#757575" class="">If the
Working Group Chair is unable to serve his or her
full term, the Working Group may</font><font color="#ff0000" class=""> select</font><font color="#757575" class="">
a replacement to serve the remainder of the term. If
the Working Group Chairs are unable to attend the
Public Policy Meeting, the Working Group shall
nominate a Chair for the session. Anyone present at
the meeting, whether in person or by remote
participation, may participate in the </font><font color="#ff0000" class="">selection</font><font color="#757575" class=""> process for a temporary Chair.</font></i></b></span><br class="">
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<div class="gmail_attr">If memory serves me right ( which i'm
pretty sure it does) what happened in Botswana as i was also
present at that meeting and infact had the honour to do the
nomination of Dewole on floor of the the PPM was that Seun
resigned, and the ECOM which is powered by AFRINIC staff
made the call at the meeting. NoMCoM was not involved.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr">I believe that Madhvi is doing is in
absolute order given the circumstances we find ourselves.
Therefore, this is not a matter that neccessary needs to be
going before the NoMCoM. The PDWG can self organise and that
is what is happening here. The whole idea is to drive a
concensus by the secretariat based on serving the interest
of the PDWG.</div>
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I believe that the conversation should be, how we get the
interim chairs "<b class="">SELECTED</b>" from within the working
group? I also do not see any word around "ELECTION" but
selection by the WG.</div>
<div class="gmail_attr">We need to be mindful of the words in
the CPM.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr">Bear in mind that my comments are made
as a RPD community member and not a comment based on any hat
i currently wear in the community.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:32
PM Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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<div class=""><p class="">I am happy you said "coordination with NomCom Chair".
So I expect we should be having NomCOM by now, and they
handling the selection/election process of the Co-Chairs
going forward.</p><p class="">The Secretariat providing the support necessary for the
NomCom to function.</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p><p class="">Simply,</p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
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</p><p class="">AfriNIC has always been Secretariat for
PDWG. But I can't remember it mutating into
a NomCom.</p>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Dan,</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Well as an example, when we were in
Botswana in 2016, where within an hour of Seun
resignation after the PPM, the WG selected Dewole as
co-chair with the coordination from policy liason
(AFRINIC Staff) and nomcom chair.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">This coordination from the secretariat
is not new chief.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div>
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