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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=en-MU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Jordi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The Board did not receive any email from Dr Oloyede or Mr. Serugo which was related directly or indirectly to AFPUB-2020-GEN-004-DRAFT02 [1]. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A previous reply to the question was provided in February [2].<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Eddy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>1. <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-004-d2">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-004-d2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>2. <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012363.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012363.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=en-MU style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 3 March 2021 16:51<br><b>To:</b> rpd@afrinic.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] clarification requested from AFRINIC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Darwin,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The Board never responded completely to the relevant questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Have they got the email from the (ex)co-chairs?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If so, can we get a copy (either from the Board, staff or co-chairs, even better each one to send their copies)?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If the Board got an email but the information was not complete (we need so assess it with the email), the co-chairs got a request for providing further information?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Very sadly, on this matter, because the Board didn’t respond explicitly (in my opinion, the same way they didn’t responded explicitly to other questions), I don’t trust 100% the Board. I will prefer to have both, the co-chairs email and the board one, so we can *<b>all</b>* confront the true.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It doesn’t make sense that the chairs said they send the email and the Board say they didn’t get it. You don’t think so?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>*<b>I understand</b>* that the chairs, aren’t happy with the Recall, but if they really want to demonstrate their willingness to cooperate with the PDWG, they should have no problem in forwarding to the list all the email exchanges on this matter with the Board/staff. There is nothing secret in that email exchange, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Openness and transparency apply here to all the involved parties (staff, chairs, Board).<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>El 3/3/21 13:16, "Darwin Da Costa" <<a href="mailto:darwincosta@hotmail.com">darwincosta@hotmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>On 3 Mar 2021, at 12:41, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Madhvi,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The correction of my point 1 was done in the Q&A screen, but not in “voice”. As a consequence, all the participants that usually have the Q&A windows closed (in Zoom), were not able to see it, and they may be still under the impression that it was a resignation, not a recall. I understand that was out of the hands of AFRINIC, so I’ve copied back the relevant APNIC mailing list, so this correction is now clear.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regarding point 2, the co-chairs indicated that they have sent an email. The PDP doesn’t state any explicit format or template. The list dicussion shows that the staff asked them to follow a format used by previous chairs, but the PDP doesn’t ask for it, so it can’t be enforced. The Board deny having got that report, but they never denied having received the email. Again: the PDP doesn’t enforce any specific format, so we need to see the email to understand if the Board is missing something and actually *<b>informed</b>* the co-chairs about WHAT they missed.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Can the Board *<b>confirm</b>* or *<b>deny</b>* if they GOT SUCH EMAIL? That will clarify the issue and if the (ex)co-chairs can forward that email to the list, that will be awesome, but meanwhile, even if the co-chairs have been recalled, I don’t have any reasons to believe that they lied in sense that they didn’t sent the email.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>@Jordi, this was already discussed couple of times here. If I can remember correctly the ex-cochairs never sent a copy of their email to the list.... <o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES>Darwin-.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>El 3/3/21 12:09, "Madhvi Gokool" <<a href="mailto:madhvi@afrinic.net">madhvi@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Hello Jordi /PDWG</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>On 03/03/2021 1:52 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>Today, during the APNIC51 meeting, in the Global Reports session (<a href="https://2021.apricot.net/program/schedule-conference/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports">https://2021.apricot.net/program/schedule-conference/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports</a>), as usual, there was a presentation from every RIR, including AFRINIC.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>In this presentation from AFRINIC, there have been two "imprecisions". I prefer to use this wording instead of something stronger, because to me those are very severe issues. I've asked in the Q&A to get this publicly clarified and it was not done.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>AFRINIC MUST publicly acknowledge the mistakes.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>1) It was explained that the AFRINIC PDWG co-chairs resigned. You can see it at the end of the presentation.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODvgxbMErs#t=35m50s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODvgxbMErs#t=35m50s</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D1C1D'>The AFRINIC staff corrected the initial statement made in his presentation and mentioned that the Co-chairs were recalled in the Q&A feature. </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>2) It has been said that one of the policy proposals that reached consensus hasn't been sent to the Board for ratification, which is not true, as discussed in the RPD mailing list. The co-chairs did send the policy to the Board, but the Board decided to ignore it, because it looks like they want the chairs to follow a format that has never been enforced before and it has not been approved by the community, neither the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>See slide 6 at <a href="https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/afrinic-update-apnic51.pdf">https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/afrinic-update-apnic51.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>i) The PDWG is under the impression from a previous correspondence of the now ex-co chair AbdulKarim that the co-chairs had already sent the ratification reports to the Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>ii) There were requests on the rpd mailing list to the outgoing co-chairs to share the mails that they have sent to the Board with the PDWG and there were no responses. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>iii) The Board Chair informed the community on 14 Feb 2021 that the report for ratification was not received. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012363.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012363.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=ES>iv) It is incorrect to mention that the Board wanted the chairs to follow a specific format. 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