<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 20, 2021, at 12:54 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Owen,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Very valid point and I agree, but I think there is a clear need to make that crystal clear in the PDP in the future.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Clarity is almost always a good thing in policy.</div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">We know that there is a lot of subscribers that also don’t come to meetings, so they can’t “participate”. Even more, many subscribers that are puppets or attempts to manipulate in case of elections. Just look at the previous spike right after the elections were announced. I think we all agreed that this must be avoided.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Actually, we don’t know that they “can’t” participate. We know that they do not participate at the meeting. However, they can monitor the discussion on the list and discuss with their coworkers who do attend meetings. They can engage with others in off-list conversations. There are many ways to participate that do not involve directly posting to the list or attending meetings. I agree that these other ways are less effective, but people who are unable or unwilling to participate by posting (some employers and possibly even some nations limit such participation) or by attending meetings should not be disenfranchised so summarily.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The previous spike was rightfully disenfranchised by a policy limiting eligibility. If they were sock puppets, then they have likely lost interest and left by now.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>There should always be a cutoff date for subscription to the mailing list to mark voter eligibility and it should always be a date prior to the election announcement.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Jordi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">@jordipalet<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 20/2/21 8:36, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I think that is a dangerous interpretation… Even though someone may not have posted directly on the<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">list or spoken at the microphone, they may have engaged in hallway discussions and private email<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">exchanges with others who participate actively.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In fact, some organizations require that only one person speak with the public voice, but that does<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">not mean that the other people from the organization who have influenced that one voice did not<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">participate.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Owen<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Feb 19, 2021, at 1:57 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Passive RPD list subscribers, in my opinion, as I already indicated in the summary, has a solution:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin-left: 18pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">as per Section 3.3:</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-left: 18pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-left: 18pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">“Anyone may participate via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is carried out through the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>) and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person, participating either in person or remotely, is considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.”</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-left: 18pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-left: 18pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">There may be some exceptions to the closure of the electoral census, if we consider this part of the text “Any person,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">participating</b>”. The PDP is not clear about if registered participants who are not participating actively (in discussions in the RPD or having participated in the mic of the previous meeting), is actually considered to be part of the PDWG. The actual text could be perfectly understood as “if you haven’t participated in discussions, showing your opinions, you’re still not a validated full member”. This could also help to avoid what we can name as “bogus voters” and at the same time, facilitate that if any new real person has joined to the RPD and participated in the discussions after the previous electoral census closure, can justify as well his/her inclusion in the electoral census.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 19/2/21 10:28, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Mark,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Monaco;" class="">Ask the NomCom to ask for volunteers. Just use the templates from 2020. Have an initial cut-off after seven days.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The template could do with some new fresh ideas reference to criteria ....imho <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Monaco;" class="">We also need to have a system on deciding who is in for a short term and who is in for a longer term. Voting may be the simplest method (as this will all be done remotely).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Since the PDWG and its participants operate by participation, we should also give a chance to rough consensus/consensus after all voting itself is not defined in the CPM though it has been a practice in recent years.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Btw, the rpd list has subscribers who passive and are not necessarily participating in PDWG discussions. 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