<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 20, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">There are no "new rules". Where are you seening them ?<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">People are just discussing what would be best for new Co-Chairs and and ia expected from such person in a time we are in process to choose someone new.</div><div dir="auto" class="">Just understand the difference.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Some have been discussing new eligibility criteria for candidates. That would constitute new rules.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">At some point when we have Co-Chairs again we may want to adjust the PDP and incorporate whatever better we find out of this discussion.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Perhaps, but the key issue here is that new criteria cannot be applied to candidates in this election except by the electorate on a voluntary basis.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Regards</div><div dir="auto" class="">Fernando</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Feb 2021, 18:34 Daniel Yakmut, <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" class="">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class="">Hello,<br class="">
</p><p class="">We cannot appoint a co-chair in any guise outside the rules of
the PDP. If you must push anything outside the laws, then suspend
it, this way you are not guided by anything as you take a new
decision. But is it possible to suspend all our rules.</p><p class="">Therefore, I totally disagree with any new rules. let us stick to
what the books say, and be creative at using it and subsequently,
coming out with a solution to our current predicament.</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p><p class="">cheers</p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
</p>
<div class="">On 19/02/2021 8:54 pm, Fernando
Frediani wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class=""><p class="">Hello Noah</p><p class="">It sounds a reasonable suggestion.<br class="">
I think with at least 1 Co-Chair we can get things keep moving.
The ideal would be to have two in order to avoid one person
taking decisions alone.</p><p class="">I think a good scenario is that we appoint one interim chair
and with the person in place he/she works towards the selection
of the second one as a priority.<br class="">
</p><p class="">Now the most important point is: do we have any experienced
people to volunteer to server at least for some time and help
the things settle down a bit ? Any names we can consider ?</p><p class="">Regards<br class="">
Fernando<br class="">
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<div class="">On 19/02/2021 16:34, Noah wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Hello PDWG,</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Can we try a different approach?</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">1. Agree on appointing one interim chair
until the next meeting</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">1.1 If yes (which is my preference), can we
look for an experienced participant to volunteer in this
role?</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">2. Instead, we use the PDP to deliberate on
the proposals which are already under discussion?</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals</a></div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Cheers,</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">Noah<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 19 Feb 2021, 12:33
Sunday Folayan, <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">In the light of MJE's contribution, I would like to
modify my earlier submission.</p><p class=""><br class="">
My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection:
<br class="">
<br class="">
• [A] a selection through rough consensus [2] After
prospects do volunteer; <br class="">
• [B] a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more
than 2 volunteers, then discussions; <br class="">
• [C] a selection based on an election (online) as
usual [1] if more than 2 candidates and discussions
stalemate; <br class="">
• [D] a selection inside a group of selectees based on
criteria [4] (a long and unnecessary process for
selecting the interim Chairs); <br class="">
• [E] any other possibility? <br class="">
<br class="">
</p><p class="">I have no problem with NOMCOM being the selectees in
[D] above. It will not be a long and un-necessary
process.<br class="">
</p><p class="">Sunday.</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p>
<div class="">On 2/19/21 9:58 AM, Mark Elkins wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class=""><p class="">Ask the NomCom to ask for volunteers. Just use the
templates from 2020. Have an initial cut-off after
seven days.</p><p class="">With last year, I was quite ecstatic when we ended
up with just one volunteer. "Consensus" as such is
great.</p><p class="">However, we technically need one person for three
to six months and another for that same period plus
one year. I'm wondering whether it might be more
sane to extend both of these positions by one year?
- or we simply consent to have the same people
extended by an additional year each at whenever we
have the next AFRINIC meeting? Alternativly - we
could be seen as simply bringing forwards the normal
election of Co-Chairs to now(ish) - as we have an
urgent need.<br class="">
</p><p class="">We also need to have a system on deciding who is in
for a short term and who is in for a longer term.
Voting may be the simplest method (as this will all
be done remotely).</p><p class="">Any way - my thoughts.<br class="">
</p>
<div class="">On 2/19/21 9:55 AM, Sunday Folayan wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">Hello Sylvain <br class="">
<br class="">
On 2/18/21 11:48 PM, Sylvain Baya wrote: <br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">~°~ <br class="">
• a selection based on an election (online) as
usual [1]; <br class="">
• a selection through rough consensus [2]; <br class="">
• a selection based on ranking voting [3]; <br class="">
• a selection inside a group of selectees based on
criteria [4]; <br class="">
• any other possibility? <br class="">
~°~ <br class="">
<br class="">
</blockquote>
<br class="">
My personal preference for Interim Chairs'
selection: <br class="">
<br class="">
• a selection through rough consensus [2] After
prospects do volunteer; <br class="">
• a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more
than 2 volunteers, then discussions; <br class="">
• a selection based on an election (online) as usual
[1] if more than 2 candidates and discussions
stalemate; <br class="">
• a selection inside a group of selectees based on
criteria [4] (a long and unnecessary process for
selecting the interim Chairs); <br class="">
• any other possibility? <br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Sunday. <br class="">
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