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<p>Owen you are mistaken here.</p>
<p>You are confusing ARIN specific scenario for AfriNic. ARIN was
created before IANA, AfriNic afterwards.<br>
The bylaws is the institutional document to treat many matters
concerning the RIR but it must operate in accordance with the
ICP-2</p>
<p>ICP-2 is not a magical document but it is the basis not only to
estabilish new RIRs but for any RIR to remain recognized by ICANN
and International Community. It has the basis that applies to any
other RIR and it has a propose to be like that.<br>
</p>
<p>It makes no sense to think that ICP-2 can be use a single time to
create a new RIR with those principles and afterwards be <span
class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
data-language-for-alternatives="en"
data-language-to-translate-into="pt" data-phrase-index="0"><span>thrown
in the bin </span></span></span>and the RIR's Board can do
whatever they like regarding resources management alone. And yet
is that fact there is a balance in what the community reach
consensus and the need of the Board to ratify any proposal to
protect the corporate interests of the organization. The
guarantees the process is bottom-up and involves all interested
parties - community and members.<br>
If the Board of any RIR suddenly understands they "may not
delegate that power" to the community it may create a
unprecedented scenario for ICANN and international community to
stop recognizing that organization as a RIR.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/02/2021 22:15, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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<div class="">On Feb 21, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Fernando Frediani
<<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p class="">Jordi, article 11.4 is completely out of the
PDP.</p>
<p class="">Even if this exists in the AfriNic bylaws the
Board of Directors is not authorized by the community to
adopting policies without the prior consensus of the
community. You are preferring something that is illegal.</p>
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Fernando, you are mistaken here.</div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>The board has the power to set the policies by which AFRINIC
administers resources. The board delegates that power to the
PDWG through the PDP which still requires that the board ratify
any policy proposed for adoption by the PDWG.</div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>The bylaws of the corporation are the institutional guiding
document of the corporation. The CPM and the PDP contained
therein are subject to the bylaws, not the other way around.</div>
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<p class="">In the case the Board understands they can do
such thing just because it is written in the bylaws it
has the potential to create an unprecedented thing which
could lead to ICANN stop recognizing AfriNic as a RIR
for voiding ICP-2 which states the bottom-up
self-governance structure for setting local policies.
ICP-2 is not just for creating a new RIR, but if it was
recognized based on that it must keep committing to
those principles. Even in a urgent situation if
considered like this, it cannot do based on the bylaws
as bylaws doesn't regulate bottom-up self-governance and
cannot go against ICP-2.</p>
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People continue to refer to ICP-2 as if it is some magical
document governing the conduct of RIRs once they are chartered.</div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>ICP-2 is a document describing the IANA process for
establishing a new RIR…</div>
<div><br class="">
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<div>The first paragraph of ICP-2 reads:</div>
<blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding:
0px;" class="">
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<p style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 1.4rem;
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rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:
helvetica, arial, sans-serif;" class="" align="left">IMPORTANT
NOTICE. The following Internet Coordination Policy is being
posted for the information of the Internet community. It
contains a statement of policy followed by the Internet
Assigned Numbers Authority (<abbr title="Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority" style="box-sizing: border-box;
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administering the system for allocation and assignment of
Internet <abbr title="Protocol" style="box-sizing:
border-box; unicode-bidi: bidi-override; direction: ltr;
border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted;
border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); cursor: help;
transition: all 0.2s;" class="">Protocol</abbr> (<abbr
title="Internet Protocol or Intellectual Property"
style="box-sizing: border-box; unicode-bidi:
bidi-override; direction: ltr; border-bottom-width: 1px;
border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(153,
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addresses.</p>
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<div>
<div class="">It does not continue to govern the RIR once it is
established and accredited. Said governance is entirely up to
the membership and (where and to the extent delegated by the
board or the membership) by committees, working groups, and/or
the community at large.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">So please, can we stop with the endless erroneous
claims about ICP-2 and the power of the community over the
board? It simply doesn’t exist.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">AFIRINIC and every other RIR is a corporation with
traditional corporate governance structures.</div>
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<div class="">Owen</div>
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<p class="">Fernando<br class="">
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/02/2021 05:28, JORDI
PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US">Hi Daniel,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US">My personal preference was
stated: The Board, according to bylaws 11.4 *<b
class="">may</b>* set a policy for having a way
out of this situation and not wasting more time,
possibly by asking the community a set of
candidates and then they making the decision.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US">This is something explicitly
mention in other RIRs. This was also accepted by
the community by consensus in a policy that
reached consensus but the board hasn’t yet
ratified for surprising reasons.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US">I’ve asked the board (copied
again, because we didn’t get a response), to
confirm if their interpretation of Article 11.4
will allow that. Can the Board please confirm?<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US">HOWEVER, all that said, my
understanding from the summary of the last few
days discussion and the latest inputs is that most
of the community that have spoken prefer
elections. I’m fine either way. I just want to
make sure that neutral chairs are working ASAP.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US">Note that in general, I will
also prefer elections. Remember that I was the one
many months ago, pushing for that, and that it is
also stated in another of my policy proposals. In
fact, as some people doubts about on-line
elections, the Board could follow 11.4 to set a
policy for on-line elections, so nobody is in
doubt that this is a valid choice.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US">Someone can say that I’m
contradicting myself: NO. What I’m saying is that
if we can reach an agreement on something, let’s
do it and in that case my preference is on-line
elections, but otherwise, we need someone, and the
Board could interpret with the bylaws that they
are the right one, to take a decision and move on.
What I’m against is anything that delays for more
than a couple of months having chairs working.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
21/2/21 6:25, "Daniel Yakmut" <<a
href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></p>
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<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Good
morning Jordi,<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Are
you asking the board to suspend the cpm and
every other rule that drives the PDP, by
creating or enacting an interim byelaw?<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">What
is so difficult in conducting an election. I
remembered we did an electronic voting recently.
I see most of the suggestions presented in some
way or the other violates the cpm and the PDP.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Therefore,
let us simply work with the fact that we don't
have co-chairs, let us forget any tenure
completion, rather let us have co-chairs that
are starting a tenure afresh. This means
constituting a nomcom, that will make the
necessary calls and conduct an election. Make
the time shorter because of the urgency.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I
think we can suspend all actions for now, and
sort this matter first.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Simply<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Daniel<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On
Feb 19, 2021 9:36 AM, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
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<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US">Hi Sunday,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US">The problem of making a
selection in the PDWG in an open way,
trying to reach consensus is that:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p
class="m-3289291322065000572msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore" class="">1.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"" class=""> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US">There is a high risk that
you have more than 2 candidates.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p
class="m-3289291322065000572msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore" class="">2.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"" class=""> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US">There is a risk of people
not willing to “openly” support or
object to the candidates.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p
class="m-3289291322065000572msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore" class="">3.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"" class=""> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US">It means, in case of 1
above, more time -> you need to fall
back to elections.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">Instead going to the
option 1 that most of the people in
the PDWG supported, allows do to the
same in terms of results. We did that
last time. We had initially 4 or 5
candidates for a single position, some
people in the PDWG openly (and I guess
in private) suggested to the
candidates to step down in favor of
just one candidate, and it happened.
This save a lot of time, because it
happens in paralel to the elections,
so is a “risk-free” option.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">Now, as you are asking me
to state what was my position … before
all this started I said it in the
list:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">See point 1 at <a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012234.html"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012234.html</a>.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">I guess most of the
people didn't noticed it. So this is
consistent with choices 3 & 4 and
with my last explanations.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">I don’t think any choice
we take is agains the PDP, because it
is an unprecedent situation, very
simple, but beyond that, the Board can
make use of the bylaws to make a
temporary policy that amends the PDP,
decide on the process they wish and
then, once we have a meeting, the
community can make a new choice.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">However, as said, because
I think consensus is what we should
follow, I’m fine with any other choice
that works and don’t create troubles
or discrimination.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt">El
18/2/21 23:33, "Sunday Folayan" <<a
href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt" class="">Jordi,<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt" class="">First
of all, A lot of thoughts and work went
into the summary of the discussions that
you made. Your contributions and efforts
are quite appreciated. Merci Beacoup.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt">Having
said that, I have not changed my
position since you started the Pre
co-chair selection coordination, (ie
Follow the provisions of the CPM,
appoint WG Chairs, do not ask the Board
to appoint WG Chairs) It may not be so
popular in terms of how many times it
has been repeated, but it is consistent
with the CPM.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt" class="">Regarding
the deadline and the transmission you
made to the Board, the purpose of the
deadline was to give an input to the
Board, supposedly before its meeting,
but ... Does the WG need any Board
action? The answer is NO! Was that a
procedural error? YES. Am I complaining
now? NO! Can it be rectified? YES!<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt">What
is your take on Sylvian's request on the
need to follow the CPM provisions?<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt" class="">At
some point, you mentioned not having a
preference, about the probable course of
action. Perhaps it is time to reveal
your preference. Do you agree with
following the subsisting provisions of
the CPM?<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt" class="">Sunday.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt">On
2/18/21 10:47 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
via RPD wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"
class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
class="m-3289291322065000572estilocorreo21"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""></span></span><span
class="m-3289291322065000572estilocorreo21"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US">Hi Sunday,</span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">I started by saying
that if someone else want to do it
… and nobody responded. I even
pointed that may be the RC can do
it.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012299.html"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012299.html</a>
(also see previous emails asking
the Board and CEO to move on,
etc.)</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">We had a deadline (17<sup
class="">th</sup>), during all
those days, nobody objected,
nobody voluntered. I stayed silent
about my own personal opinion, and
a few hours before the deadline,
released the summary.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">If anyone volunterred
ahead of the deadline, I will just
provided him the notes that I was
taking, so he/she could have
continued.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">So I can’t agree in
your point about this.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">So complaining
afterwards, and not having
volunteered, is like what we say
in spain "Like the dog in the
manger, neither eats nor lets
eat", not sure if this has a
better translation in English in
terms of an equivalent expression.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">I’m sorry to be a
person of “actions”, but
definitively will not “wait
forever” if nobody else is acting.
So yes, I’m guilty for that.
Guilty for ensuring that we
provide inputs before a deadline
that was set to the PDWG.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">I will love to see if
the staff can do their own review
of all the inputs and can say that
the conclusion is different …</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">Let’s see if that
happens.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">El
18/2/21 21:23, "Sunday Folayan"
<<a
href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Sylvain,<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<p style="margin-left:106.2pt" class="">You
wrote<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><b
class="">"10| Let's back to the
PDP to do the only task we PDWG
are allowed to do without our
Chairs. Sunday, please can you
handle the process to help the
PDWG to enforce its PDP?" </b><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Enforcing
the PDP is not the role of
anyone person. We all should be
active and vigilant.<br class="">
<br class="">
I can initiate things, by
pointing out that many wrongs do
not make a right. Sometimes, in
haste, we fail to look at the
details, nor pause to look at
small details. No matter how far
one may have gone in a wrong
direction, it is best to
course-correct as soon as
possible.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Jordi
acted in good faith, with some level
of urgency to move the group forward,
but missed a very important step ...
ie properly volunteer to be a
temporary WG Co-Chair, and wait for
some acclamation. It will not have
called for his legitimacy being
questioned, specifically by Arnaud
with:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><b
class="">"Who appointed you in
this role? don’t you think board,
staff are following discussions
and can make their own minds and
judgment on the discussions and
the outcomes? Or is your
intention to influence or bias
discussion".</b> <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I
still insist that the provisions of
the PDP, according to the CPM is:<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><b
class=""><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; background-color:
white; background-position:
initial initial;
background-repeat: initial
initial;" class="">"If the
Working Group Chair is unable to
serve his or her full term, the
Working Group may select a
replacement to serve the
remainder of the term. If the
Working Group Chairs are unable
to attend the Public Policy
Meeting, the Working Group shall
nominate a Chair for the
session. Anyone present at the
meeting, whether in person or by
remote participation, may
participate in the selection
process for a temporary Chair"</span></b><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#757575"
class=""><br class="">
<br class="">
</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">See
the word selection process there?
That is what we need to define by
consensus. As a working group, we
can select our Co-Chairs, by simply
asking the staff/Policy Liaison to
call for volunteers, and shepherd
the process, reverting always to the
WG for guidance, when needed (which
ultimately defines the process)<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I
like the proposition by Noah,
specifically:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><b
class="">"Can AFRINIC staff and
specifically Madhvi take up the
lead and work with the WG to
ensure that its following the CPM
to fill the vacancy. I dont
support the rushed work that was
done here by Jordi since there is
already claims of
misinteretation. Please afford
this working group time to self
organise"</b><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">I
urge everyone to adopt it, as a way
forward with an Affirmative YES.
Personally, I support the above
CPM-compatible line of action.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Anyone
can also propose some other
CPM-Compatible action<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Sunday.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">On
2/18/21 1:04 PM, Sylvain Baya wrote:<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"
class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">{start
a new thread from [1]}<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Dear
PDWG,<br class="">
<br class="">
Hope you are safe and well!<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><tl;dr><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">This
PDWG has violated its own PDP by
reaching a consensus non
PDP-compliant. In fact, the
actualités CPM (version 1.6)
contains no provision which
could allow the PDWG to varying
the process without at least one
PDWG's Chair in place.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><tl;dr><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">...i
first want to thank Jordi, for
have right•ful•ly <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">decided
to coordinate PDWG actions
during <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">this
post-recall PDWG's Chairs
transition period. <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">He
did well (because the PDP [2]
implicitely <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">allows
it, by leaving the howto
question {see CPM <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">section
3.3 [3]} to the implementors),
but, IMHO, Jordi <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">also
failed to stick to only what was
allowed <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">by
the PDP [3]. This is were what
Fernando <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">have
tried to explain below is really
relevant...i <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">can
also refer to more than two
emails where <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Sunday
is trying to enlightening that
lack of PDP compliance. <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Some
observations or facts to
consider:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">~°~<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•1|
First, the final action made [4]
on tuesday by Jordi, <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">on
behalf of the PDWG is a good
proof that if <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">appropriately
conducted, the consensus-driven <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">mecanism
can work very well in this
AfriNIC's <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">PDWG.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•2|
The PDP is *sufficiently* clear
about the emergency <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">procedure
to use when it comes to
replacing <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">the
PDWG's Chair(s) before the end
of mandate(s).<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•3|
The PDP is also clear (see CPM
section 3.6 [5]) <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">about
who from the PDWG can varying
the process <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">(PDP)
and in which kind of
circonstances.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•4|
This post-recall PDWG's Chairs
time makes <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">an
interesting precedent to study
and without <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">at
least one of its Chairs, the
PDWG is leaved <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">with
no mean to varying the process
by itself...<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•5|
...within the CPM (version 1.6)
[6] even a <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">consensus
reached by the PDWG during this <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">emergency
time *MUST* be bond to the few <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">tasks
allowed by the PDP (select the
new PDWG's <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Chairs;
then continue to follow the
PDP)...we <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">failed
on it; then we are in violation
to the actual PDP.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•6|
Yes! by the PDP, this PDWG is
allowed to do <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">only
very few things without its
Chairs. Doing <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">more
than those things is a clear
violation <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">of
the PDP.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•7|
AfriNIC's BoD has its
prerogatives and we are <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">sure
it shall act accordingly if we,
PDWG, fail <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">to
enforce our PDP. Therefore there
is no need <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">to
violate our own PDP to do
something which <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">will
be surely do soon by the BoD.
That's doing <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">something
of non incidence...<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•8|
With the new PDWG's Chairs in
action, of course, <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">the
fact that the PDWG can not
actually varying <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">the
process by itself (raise a
problem) could <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">be
consider and therefore handled
by proposing <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">a
DPP (Draft Policy Proposal) to
change at least <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">it
for example...<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">•9|
Jordi has proved a good ability
to conduct <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">the
PDWG, he is therefore a
proven-good candidate <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">as
a replacement PDWG's Chair, for
us, IMHO.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">10|
Let's back to the PDP to do the
only task <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">we
PDWG are allowed to do without
our Chairs. <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Sunday,
please can you handle the
process <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">to
help the PDWG to enforce its
PDP? <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">~°~<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">...i
want to call the PDWG once more
[7], to firmly <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">defend
its PDP; because that is the
most important <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">thing
to do, IMHO, during these
difficult times.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">If
you see things differently, i
look forward <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">to
reading you too! ;-)<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Thanks
& Blessed thursday!<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">__<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">[1]:
<<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/thread.html#12428"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/thread.html#12428</a>><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">[2]:
<<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
class=""><a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDP"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDP</a></span>><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">[3]: <<a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDWG"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDWG</a>></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">[4]: <<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/012425.html"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/012425.html</a>></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">[5]: <<a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#Varying-Process"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#Varying-Process</a>></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">[6]: <<a
href="https://afrinic.net/cpm-1-6"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">https://afrinic.net/cpm-1-6</a>></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">[7]: <<a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/012358.html"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/012358.html</a>></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Shalom,<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:106.2pt">--sb.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">Le
mer. 17 févr. 2021 02:46,
Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="border:none;border-left:solid
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm
0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"
class="">
<div class="">
<p
style="margin-left:106.2pt"
class="">Hello Gregoire<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p
style="margin-left:106.2pt"
class="">Well, the PDP
makes it clear that is up
to the WG to select the
Co-Chairs, no one else
(point 3.3). It doesn't
have a fallback mechanism
or even a point which
allows the WG defer that
decision to the Board.<br
class="">
This is different from
when something is not
mentioned at all and is
considered not covered by
current rules.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p
style="margin-left:106.2pt"
class="">So anything
different from what is in
the PDP right now is a
change in the PDP and a
change in the PDP can only
be done via the due
process with rough
consensus when we have new
Co-Chairs in place. Even
if the WG would decide
unanimously right now to
defer that decision it is
something that cannot be
done at the present
because the current PDP as
written forbids it having
it clear the only way
Co-Chairs can be chosen. <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p
style="margin-left:106.2pt"
class="">I keep hoping the
Board will organize the
elections soon and we will
be able to progress in
this matter with the
natural way which is the
WG choosing.<br class="">
Hope also in the next
change we have to adjust
the PDP we can include the
possibility for the Board
to be able to select
temporary/interim
Co-Chairs during
unforeseen situation and
it is in other RIRs.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p
style="margin-left:106.2pt"
class="">Regards<br
class="">
Fernando<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt">[...]<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:106.2pt"><br
class="">
<br class="">
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