<div dir="ltr">Folks<div><br></div><div>The Bylaws aka the AFRINIC constitution are a resource and associate member document and not some lawyer document. Often, through special resolutions, both members and the board make amendments to the constitution as a result of the changes emanating from the dynamic space we operate in.</div><div><br></div><div>As such, members and the board through special resolution can make amendments to the document without lawyers even though so often, its important to consult lawyers so as to ensure that the constitution conforms to the Mauritius company act.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><b>./noah</b></div><div>neo - network engineering and operations<b><br></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 1:29 AM Ibeanusi Elvis <<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Dear Jordi, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Personally, I believe that every corporate document in the AFRINIC organization has its own purpose and the idea of utilizing a legal document (the Bylaw) conscripted by legal practitioners to be adopted for the PDP will be highly futile and illegal to do so. Proposing to the Board to suspend or modify the CPM/PDP and enact an interim bylaw is impossible and such move needs to be brought to the notice of the community. Doing such will be a degradation to the very concept and ideology of the Bottom-Up system that we as an organization has been promoting and pushing for. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Elvis.</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:20 Sunday Folayan <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com" target="_blank">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Goubi,<br>
</p>
<p>First, let me be clear, I do not agree with the Board modifying
the CPM. This is not the same as the need for the existence of
11.4 in the bylaws.</p>
<p>On to the existence of 11.4 in the bylaws ...<br>
</p>
<p>What will happen if PDWG passes a policy that will bankrupt the
company? or could not pass a policy that will stabilize the
company? Not by malice, but say ... by negligence or sheer
exuberance? <br>
</p>
<p>What happens when a lack of convergence in the working group,
puts the "distribution" company in Jeopardy. Should there not be
any safeguard?</p>
<p>If the PWDG therefore recognizes and accepts the existence of the
safe-guard that the forward-looking lawyers have put in place in
the Bylaws, for the benefit of all, What is wrong with such a help
if it is recognized by the PDWG? <br>
</p>
<p>How does the fact that the PDWG then accepts the existence of
that safeguard .... violate the bottom-up process?<br>
</p>
<p>Just asking, because everything up, certainly started from down!</p>
<p>Sunday.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>On 2/22/21 6:18 PM, Wijdane Goubi
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Jordi,<br>
Let me point out as well that the bylaws is a document that was
drafted by lawyers and that should have no relevance in the
management of the PDP. The fact that you are trying to create a
conflict between both is jeopardizing the core purpose of the
bottom-up process. You can’t just skip the community and its
consensus and allow the board to modify the CPM/PDP. The only
waste of time in this entire situation is trying to invent
non-existent solutions that do not comply with the PDP in the
first place.
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Wijdane</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 22 févr. 2021 à 10:34,
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi
SM,<br>
<br>
I fully understand the difference between community and PDWG,
precisely I was traying to put all them, to show that I
believe, everybody understands that there are several (not
just 2) "groups" involved in what we do "related to AFRINIC
and the PDP".<br>
<br>
Even if the situation is not urgent for you, it is for others
in the PDWG. Even if this is only my case, I think it is
important. So please, forget for a minute if it is important
or not, let's stick to the wording of 11.4 and my question,
and let me to rephrase them to exclude the emergency aspect:<br>
<br>
Is the Board understanding that they can adopt policies only
related to Resources or also policies not related to resources
which modifying the CPM/PDP?<br>
<br>
I've added CPM/PDP, because we can see in the CPM parts witch
are "clearly" related to resources, others "indirectly"
related to resources, and others clearly related to the PDP
itself and not Resources at all.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
El 21/2/21 16:23, "S. Moonesamy" <<a href="mailto:sm%2Baf@afrinic.net" target="_blank">sm+af@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<br>
<br>
Dear Jordi,<br>
At 02:26 AM 21-02-2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:<br>
>No, my question is not about the CPM/PDP text. I think
it is clear <br>
>for everybody the distinction there between "AFRINIC <br>
>organization/membership" vs "AFRINIC community/PDWG".<br>
<br>
There is a distinction between the Working Group and the
"community", <br>
i.e. the Working Group is a subset of the "community".<br>
<br>
>My question is about the Board interpretation of the
Article 11.4 of <br>
>the bylaws. Is the Board understanding that they can
(in urgent <br>
>situations, such as the one we are facing) adopt
policies only <br>
>related to Resources or also policies that not being
related to <br>
>resources but modifying the PDP?<br>
<br>
I'll have to look at the minutes of the last Board meeting
to see <br>
whether there was a discussion of Article 11.4. I doubt
that the <br>
situation could be described as urgent. That is based on
my reading <br>
of the members-discuss mailing list.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
S. Moonesamy<br>
<br>
Board Chair, AFRINIC <br>
<br>
<br>
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