<div dir="auto"><div>{useful Out of Topic :-)}</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dear PDWG,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hope you are safe and well!</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 19 févr. 2021 09:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-7106121262274509442WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Sylvain,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> </span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hi Jordi,</div><div dir="auto">Brother i failed to answer this email since.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-7106121262274509442WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Sunday knows me very well and I’m sure he knows that I’m happy to work not just with him, but with *<b>anyone</b>* always (even with people that disagree with my proposals! Is not that surprising?).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for disclosing part of your long story with Sunday :-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...i think it's useful as it shows how it's possible </div><div dir="auto">to be (& stay) good friends and also being still </div><div dir="auto">able defend opposed views in the PDWG. Perhaps </div><div dir="auto">a lesson, to learn, for some of us? :-/</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-7106121262274509442WordSection1"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Sunday actually “rescued” me during a weekend from the “deportation” from Lagos that I suffered in the early years of AFRINIC when I was helping with the first IPv6 trainings. Note that I did nothing wrong, just the people in the consulate, wanted a brive and I fall into the trap! So we have a long history behind!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Even if i was already knowing the story, it's still </div><div dir="auto">a good one...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">:-) for me, i consider that difficult problems </div><div dir="auto">always come with great solutions; to who can believe...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks & Blessed tuesday!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Shalom,</div><div dir="auto">--sb.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-7106121262274509442WordSection1"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 19/2/21 9:50, "Sylvain Baya" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt">Dear PDWG,<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le ven. 19 févr. 2021 06:29, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Fri, 19 Feb 2021, 01:56 Sylvain Baya, <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear PDWG,<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Sylvain<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Noah,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thanks for your email, brother. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...just a precision to the PDWG: it's still Sunday <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">who is checking the Rough Consensus on these selection matters :-)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Maybe Jordi, who discarded my proposition <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">to become a replacement/interim PDWG Chair, <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">want to work with Sunday :-/<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...any other volunteer? (we can have more than <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">two, if we want)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">....a remaining question: <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Which model of *selection* y'all prefer?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">~°~<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">• a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1];<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">• a selection through rough consensus [2];<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">• a selection based on ranking voting [3];<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">• a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4];<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">• any other possibility?<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since the working group functions by participation, a selection by rough consensus would come in handy after all, the PDWG activities end goal is to accomplish work by finding a path to consensus so [2] should be considered as first option by the WG.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">A selection based on ranking voting would be the second best choice imho so [3] should be considered as second choice by the WG imho.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thank you for sharing your choices.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...i failed to number the bullets :'-(<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">then the choices become as below:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">~°~<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•1| a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1];<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•2| a selection through rough consensus [2];<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•3| a selection based on ranking voting [3];<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•4| a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4];<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•5| any other possibility?</span> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">~°~<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">NOTE: Before we even think of the above, can we as a WG agree on a set of criteria for one to become a chair. This I believe is more important and I have some few ideas like;<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Many thanks for the proposed criteria.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">1. Active participation in WG discussions, in say, the past 3 years.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...i amend Criterion#1 as follow: ...in at least one year during the past three years.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">2. Demonstrate clear understanding of the CPM and especially sections that relate to PDWG.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...i second Criterion#2!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">3. Some 5 years sound technical experience in this space with a clear understanding of Internet Protocol and preferably having worked in this space.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I amend Criterion#3 in proposing to add this: ...could be an advantage.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">4. Affiliation with an entity which is am AFRINIC resource members could come in handy. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...Criterion#4 second!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">5. Understanding of rfc7282 and what rough consensus and consensus is all about, after all consensus is a path and not a destination.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Brother, i don't get Criterion#5 very well. Please can you simplify/clarify the proposed text? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...i would have said it this way: <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Criterion#5. Understanding of how Rough <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Consensus achievement can be checking/<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">verifying/conducting; in comformance with <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">RFC7282.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Other participants in this WG can also add and we see what criteria are more required and which ones to discard to keep it simple.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Criterion#6. ...coming soon maybe ; -)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I stand to be corrected but I think we as a WG have an obligation to first sort this requirements out before we can think of the selection of interim co-chairs.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...you are right! it has been left TBD (To Be Defined) <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">on my previous email.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thanks & Blessed friday!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Shalom,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">--sb.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Noah<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p style="margin-left:35.4pt">[...]<u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br></p></div></div>
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