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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/02/2021 22:25, Owen DeLong via
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<div>This seems anti-democratic to me.</div>
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<p>This is not a democracy as we know it , should not be and yet
works pretty well in general. Things advance by merit.<br>
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class=""><span class="gmail-s1" style="">[1] </span><a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-22"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-22</a></div>
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called Seun to talk to the community for a few minutes
before the community can elect him. Seun thanked Khaled
for showing strong support for his nomination by
withdrawing his candidature and urging the community to
support him. He stated that he would continue to uphold
the principles of the PDP and serve the community
unreservedly as he has been doing.<br class="">
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<b class="">Ernest indicated that the election of PDWG
co-chair is by show of hands and by anyone present in
the room. By show of hands, Seun was unanimously
selected for a subsequent two-year term as co-chair of
the PDWG</b>."<br class="">
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class=""><span class="gmail-s1" style="">[2] </span><a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-24#PDWGCo-Chair"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-24#PDWGCo-Chair</a></div>
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font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue";" class="">"4.0 PDWG Co-Chair
Election</div>
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"Helvetica Neue";" class="">The NOMCOM 2016
chair presented the process for nomination of the PDWG
co-chair and the several milestones in the process. He
noted that there was only one self-nominee (Sami Salih
from Sudan, who is also one of the current co-chairs). <b
class="">Sami was invited to convince the community on
why he should be re-elected. In a show of hands, the
community unanimously voted Sami for another two years
as PDWG co-chair.</b>"</div>
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<a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-18"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-18</a></div>
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to quote also some text from 2013 </div>
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Election of the new PDWG co-chair. </b><br class="">
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font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue";" class="">"Douglas Onyango,
the NomCom 2013 Chair, briefly informed the meeting
about the roles of the PDWG co-chairs, their term of
office and the election process. He said Alan Barrett's
term has ended, and stated that when a call for
nominations was sent to the community, two volunteers
responded, and they were Seun Ojedeji from Nigeria and
Jean Claude Welo from DRC. He further stated that Jean
Claude has since withdrawn his candidature and has at
the same time endorsed Seun Ojedeji, and hence, Seun is
the only volunteer up for election. Douglas called upon
Seun to talk about his background and plans for the
AFRINIC PDWG. Seun indicated his willingness to serve as
the PDWG co-chair and his availability to fully commit
to fulfilling all the responsibilities required of him
in this function."</div>
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font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue";" class="">"<b class="">After
a show of hands in support of his candidature, Seun
was declared the new co-chair in replacement for Alan
Barrett. Douglas thanked Alan for the service he has
tirelessly rendered to the community in various
capacities including the PDWG and welcomed Seun into
his new role.</b> "</div>
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font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue";" class="">To colleagues here
on the PDWG, please note that we have in the past
successfully selected co-chairs by means of consensus as
a self-organized group of participants in policy
development. </div>
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advocate for the selection of an interim chair and
co-chairs by means of PDWG consensus.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at
7:32 PM Eddy Kayihura <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""
lang="EN-US">[French below]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Dear
Colleagues,</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">We
are following the discussions on the RPD mailing
list with the utmost attention and appreciate
your efforts to find a solution for selecting
the working group co-chairs.</span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">We
have seen some community recommendations that
AFRINIC, in its role as secretariat to the
Policy Development Working Group (PDWG),
facilitates the ongoing discussions by
summarising all the options on the table. We are
happy to take on this task. </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">As
it currently stands, we have seen two proposed
options on the list:</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-indent:36pt"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Option
1: Co-chair election by the PDWG via an online
election </span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-indent:36pt"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Option
2: Co-Chair selection by the PDWG via consensus </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">We
would like to invite our community members to
suggest any other proposed options that they
consider to be a potential way forward on the
list by Monday, 22 February 2021 (20h00 UTC). </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The
AFRINIC team will then publish a comprehensive
list of the proposed options on Wednesday, 24
February 2021. </span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The
AFRINIC team will then share a staff assessment
and impact analysis for implementing each option
on Friday, 26 February 2021.</span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">We
believe that this will aid the PDWG in making
its decision on the best way forward.</span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">.
To aid us in capturing your proposed options
precisely, we ask you the following:</span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><br class="">
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</span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" class="" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;
vertical-align: baseline;"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="">We
encourage you to be concise when raising your
proposed option. </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;
vertical-align: baseline;"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="">We
are not seeking support or comments on
proposed options at this point, just a
collection of all the different proposed
options. </span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I
hope this approach could help us come together
as a community and agree on the best way forward
for this core component of our bottom-up,
all-inclusive process that AFRINIC and its PDP
have been founded upon. </span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">. </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Kind
Regards,</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Eddy
Kayihura,</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Chief
Executive Officer,</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">African
Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)</span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">[French
Version]</span><span class=""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Chers
collègues,</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Nous
suivons les discussions sur la liste de
diffusion de la RPD avec la plus grande
attention et apprécions vos efforts pour trouver
une solution pour la sélection des coprésidents
d</span><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="" lang="FR">u</span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">
groupe de travail.</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Nous
avons vu certaines recomm</span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""
lang="FR">e</span><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">ndations de la
communauté selon lesquelles AFRINIC, en tant que
secrétariat du groupe de travail sur
l'élaboration des politiques (PDWG), </span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""
lang="FR">pourrait </span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">facilite</span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""
lang="FR">r</span><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> les discussions en
cours en résumant toutes les options sur la
table. Nous sommes heureux d'assumer cette
tâche. </span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Dans
l'état actuel des choses, nous avons vu deux
options proposées sur la liste :</span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Option
1 : élection d</span><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="FR">es</span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">
coprésident</span><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="FR">s</span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">
par le PDWG via une élection en ligne </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Option
2 : sélection des coprésidents par le PDWG par
consensus </span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Nous
aimerions inviter les membres de notre
communauté à proposer toute autre option qu'ils
considèrent comme une voie possible </span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""
lang="FR">de solution</span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">,
sur la liste avant le lundi 22 février 2021
(20h00 UTC). </span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">L'équipe
d'AFRINIC publiera ensuite une liste complète
des options proposées le mercredi 24 février
2021. </span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">L'équipe
d'AFRINIC partagera ensuite une évaluation et
une analyse d'impact pour la mise en œuvre de
chaque option le vendredi 26 février 2021.</span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Nous
pensons que cela aidera le PDWG dans sa
décision.</span><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="" lang="FR"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""
lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Pour
nous aider à </span><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="" lang="FR">noter</span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> les
options que vous proposez avec précision, nous
vous </span><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="" lang="FR">proposons la
démarche suivante</span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">
:</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">-
Nous vous encourageons à être concis lorsque
vous présentez l'option que vous proposez. </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">-
Nous ne cherchons pas à obtenir un soutien ou
des commentaires sur les options proposées à ce
stade, mais simplement à rassembler toutes les
différentes options proposées. </span><span
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">J'espère
que cette approche pourra nous aider à nous
rassembler en tant que communauté et à nous
mettre d'accord sur la meilleure façon de faire
avancer cette composante essentielle de notre
processus ascendant </span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""
lang="FR">(bottom-up) </span><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">et
inclusif sur lequel AFRINIC et son PDP ont été
fondés. </span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
class=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Cordialement,</span><span
class=""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Eddy
Kayihura,</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Chief
Executive Officer,</span><span class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">African
Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)</span><span
class=""></span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Baskerville
Old Face",serif" class=""> </span></p>
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