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<p>Sunday, that is a different scenario. If the PDWG passes a bad
policy the Board may not ratify it, but then the proposal was
introduced, discussed and reached consensus within the PDWG,
exactly what is on the PDP right now. The Board has the
prerogative to refuse ratify such policies that put the RIR in
danger</p>
<p>However article 11.4 of the Bylaws doesn't mean the same thing.
That says that Board may adopt a policy with immediate effect
*without any prior discussion within the PDWG* and submit it for
discussion and consensus later. Even if that make sense in a
urgent situation the PDP currently doesn't allow the Board to do
that right now. It may make sense to have such mechanism, but
currently it does not exist anywhere in the PDP so it cannot be
done until the PDP is adjusted accordingly.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/02/2021 15:07, Sunday Folayan
wrote:<br>
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<p>Goubi,<br>
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<p>First, let me be clear, I do not agree with the Board modifying
the CPM. This is not the same as the need for the existence of
11.4 in the bylaws.</p>
<p>On to the existence of 11.4 in the bylaws ...<br>
</p>
<p>What will happen if PDWG passes a policy that will bankrupt the
company? or could not pass a policy that will stabilize the
company? Not by malice, but say ... by negligence or sheer
exuberance? <br>
</p>
<p>What happens when a lack of convergence in the working group,
puts the "distribution" company in Jeopardy. Should there not
be any safeguard?</p>
<p>If the PWDG therefore recognizes and accepts the existence of
the safe-guard that the forward-looking lawyers have put in
place in the Bylaws, for the benefit of all, What is wrong with
such a help if it is recognized by the PDWG? <br>
</p>
<p>How does the fact that the PDWG then accepts the existence of
that safeguard .... violate the bottom-up process?<br>
</p>
<p>Just asking, because everything up, certainly started from
down!</p>
<p>Sunday.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Jordi,<br>
Let me point out as well that the bylaws is a document that
was drafted by lawyers and that should have no relevance in
the management of the PDP. The fact that you are trying to
create a conflict between both is jeopardizing the core
purpose of the bottom-up process. You can’t just skip the
community and its consensus and allow the board to modify the
CPM/PDP. The only waste of time in this entire situation is
trying to invent non-existent solutions that do not comply
with the PDP in the first place.
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Wijdane</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 22 févr. 2021
à 10:34, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi SM,<br>
<br>
I fully understand the difference between community and
PDWG, precisely I was traying to put all them, to show that
I believe, everybody understands that there are several (not
just 2) "groups" involved in what we do "related to AFRINIC
and the PDP".<br>
<br>
Even if the situation is not urgent for you, it is for
others in the PDWG. Even if this is only my case, I think it
is important. So please, forget for a minute if it is
important or not, let's stick to the wording of 11.4 and my
question, and let me to rephrase them to exclude the
emergency aspect:<br>
<br>
Is the Board understanding that they can adopt policies only
related to Resources or also policies not related to
resources which modifying the CPM/PDP?<br>
<br>
I've added CPM/PDP, because we can see in the CPM parts
witch are "clearly" related to resources, others
"indirectly" related to resources, and others clearly
related to the PDP itself and not Resources at all.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
<br>
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El 21/2/21 16:23, "S. Moonesamy" <<a
href="mailto:sm%2Baf@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sm+af@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<br>
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Dear Jordi,<br>
At 02:26 AM 21-02-2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:<br>
>No, my question is not about the CPM/PDP text. I
think it is clear <br>
>for everybody the distinction there between "AFRINIC
<br>
>organization/membership" vs "AFRINIC
community/PDWG".<br>
<br>
There is a distinction between the Working Group and the
"community", <br>
i.e. the Working Group is a subset of the "community".<br>
<br>
>My question is about the Board interpretation of the
Article 11.4 of <br>
>the bylaws. Is the Board understanding that they can
(in urgent <br>
>situations, such as the one we are facing) adopt
policies only <br>
>related to Resources or also policies that not being
related to <br>
>resources but modifying the PDP?<br>
<br>
I'll have to look at the minutes of the last Board
meeting to see <br>
whether there was a discussion of Article 11.4. I doubt
that the <br>
situation could be described as urgent. That is based
on my reading <br>
of the members-discuss mailing list.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
S. Moonesamy<br>
<br>
Board Chair, AFRINIC <br>
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