<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 20 Feb 2021, at 09:58, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Very valid point and I agree, but I think there is a clear need to make that crystal clear in the PDP in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We know that there is a lot of subscribers that also don’t come to meetings, so they can’t “participate”. Even more, many subscribers that are puppets or attempts to manipulate in case of elections. Just look at the previous spike right after the elections were announced. I think we all agreed that this must be avoided.</span></p></div></div></blockquote>+1 and we certainly must avoid that. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="WordSection1"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 20/2/21 8:36, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I think that is a dangerous interpretation… Even though someone may not have posted directly on the<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">list or spoken at the microphone, they may have engaged in hallway discussions and private email<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">exchanges with others who participate actively.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">In fact, some organizations require that only one person speak with the public voice, but that does<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">not mean that the other people from the organization who have influenced that one voice did not<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">participate.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Feb 19, 2021, at 1:57 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Passive RPD list subscribers, in my opinion, as I already indicated in the summary, has a solution:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-left:18.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">as per Section 3.3:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin-left:18.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin-left:18.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">“Anyone may participate via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is carried out through the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>) and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person, participating either in person or remotely, is considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.”</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin-left:18.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin-left:18.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">There may be some exceptions to the closure of the electoral census, if we consider this part of the text “Any person,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>participating</b>”. The PDP is not clear about if registered participants who are not participating actively (in discussions in the RPD or having participated in the mic of the previous meeting), is actually considered to be part of the PDWG. The actual text could be perfectly understood as “if you haven’t participated in discussions, showing your opinions, you’re still not a validated full member”. This could also help to avoid what we can name as “bogus voters” and at the same time, facilitate that if any new real person has joined to the RPD and participated in the discussions after the previous electoral census closure, can justify as well his/her inclusion in the electoral census.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 19/2/21 10:28, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Mark,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Monaco">Ask the NomCom to ask for volunteers. Just use the templates from 2020. Have an initial cut-off after seven days.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The template could do with some new fresh ideas reference to criteria ....imho <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Monaco">We also need to have a system on deciding who is in for a short term and who is in for a longer term. Voting may be the simplest method (as this will all be done remotely).<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since the PDWG and its participants operate by participation, we should also give a chance to rough consensus/consensus after all voting itself is not defined in the CPM though it has been a practice in recent years.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Btw, the rpd list has subscribers who passive and are not necessarily participating in PDWG discussions. 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