<div dir="auto">+1<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This beautifully buttresses my point.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 10:22 PM Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Dear PWDG,<br>
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<p>It is clear we cannot alter the rules in the middle of the game.
Any new rules to make one eligible to be a co-chair that is not in
any of our books is not tenable.</p>
<p>What should be done, is to start a process that is legitimate and
conforms to the CPM and any other reference, to create the new
eligibility rules. However, I understand that this has to come as
a proposed policy and it has to go through the cycle of
discussions and reaching a consensus, but this also is a challenge
because we need a co-chair to coordinate the process and we don't
have one.</p>
<p>We are at a cross road, let me remind us that there is never a
justification for breaking the law. I am aware that there is a
saying that "ignorance is not acceptable in law". This is an
interesting time in the life of PWDG. Therefore, except we are
going to suspend the laws that guide us, then we have to abide by
the law.</p>
<p><b>But we can also behave like a military junta, suspend the
"constitution", do what we want to do.</b> Possibly restore it
at some later time, but we would have set a precedence and have
to live with consequence of this action.</p>
<p>Simply</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
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<div>On 19/02/2021 9:49 am, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">While I’m ok with 6, I think this is clearly a
basic point for any participant, not just candidates,
because the AUP or CoC or whatever you want to call it,
right?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 19/2/21
8:54, "Sunday Folayan" <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>>
escribió:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I am OK with Noah's trajectory,
proposition, and Mike's modification. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Slight edit in 4. "which is am
AFRINIC resource members" should read "who is an AFRINIC
resource member" <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I also think we should add ... <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">6. Ability to remain calm in the
face of provocation and respect for the continental diversity.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Sunday.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 2/19/21
7:38 AM, Mike Silber wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thanks Noah <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I think that
is an excellent list.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The only
thing I would add to your point 5 is an intangible quality
- a history (or perception) of building consensus. Some of
us understand RFC 7282, but because of our passion, style
or language are less successful (or perceived as less
successful) at moving the group towards consensus.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Mike<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Fri,
19 Feb 2021 at 07:54, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi
PDWG participants,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Could
we as a WG participants agree on a set of
criteria for a WG participant to become a
co-chair. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This
I believe is more important and I had shared
some few ideas below a separate thread but I
think it would make sense to work this out on
this new thread.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Some
thoughts that crossed my mind as criteria;<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1. Active participation
in WG discussions by a participant, in say,
the past 3 years.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2. Participant should
demonstrate a clear understanding of the CPM
and especially sections that relate to the
PDWG.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3. Participant should
have some 5 years sound technical experience
in this space with a clear understanding of
Internet Protocol and preferably having
worked in this space.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">4. Affiliation with an
entity which is am AFRINIC resource members
could come in handy for a participant
interested in chairing policy discussions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">5. Understanding of
rfc7282 and what rough consensus and
consensus is all about, after all consensus
is a path and not a destination. This is
very important.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Other participants in
this WG can also add and we see what
criteria are more required and which ones to
discard to keep it simple.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I stand to be corrected
but I think we as a WG have an obligation to
first sort this requirements out before we
can think of the selection of the interim
co-chairs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Noah<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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