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<p>Folks, we must have a criteria.</p>
<p>It is always beautiful to welcome anyone without any limits but
it puts it has the potential do put the whole thing is serious
danger.<br>
There must be always a mechanism that doesn't allow anyone to vote
straight away "just for being there", otherwise it opens doors to
anyone willing to manipulate de process. Isn't already enough the
hundreds of subscriptions there was in the last prior the last
process ? Isn't that obvious there is a risk in there ?<br>
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<p>The important thing to have in mind is that having these
mechanisms to limit those who can participate at any election
process DOES NOT limit any new people to participate in the
discussions at any time. The interest from newer people should not
be to be able to vote straight away, but to contribute. The right
to decide will come as something natural later on.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/02/2021 05:54, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Very valid point and I agree, but I think there
is a clear need to make that crystal clear in the PDP in the
future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">We know that there is a lot of subscribers that
also don’t come to meetings, so they can’t “participate”.
Even more, many subscribers that are puppets or attempts to
manipulate in case of elections. Just look at the previous
spike right after the elections were announced. I think we
all agreed that this must be avoided.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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8:36, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I think that is
a dangerous interpretation… Even though someone may not have
posted directly on the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">list or spoken
at the microphone, they may have engaged in hallway
discussions and private email<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">exchanges with
others who participate actively.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">In fact, some
organizations require that only one person speak with the
public voice, but that does<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">not mean that
the other people from the organization who have influenced
that one voice did not<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">participate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Feb
19, 2021, at 1:57 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Passive
RPD list subscribers, in my opinion, as I
already indicated in the summary, has a
solution:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">as per
Section 3.3:</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">“Anyone
may participate via the Internet or in person.
PDWG work is carried out through the Resource
Policy Discussion mailing list (<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>)
and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy
Meetings (PPM). Any person, participating
either in person or remotely, is considered to
be part of the Policy Development Working
Group.”</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">There
may be some exceptions to the closure of the
electoral census, if we consider this part of
the text “Any person,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>participating</b>”.
The PDP is not clear about if registered
participants who are not participating
actively (in discussions in the RPD or having
participated in the mic of the previous
meeting), is actually considered to be part of
the PDWG. The actual text could be perfectly
understood as “if you haven’t participated in
discussions, showing your opinions, you’re
still not a validated full member”. This could
also help to avoid what we can name as “bogus
voters” and at the same time, facilitate that
if any new real person has joined to the RPD
and participated in the discussions after the
previous electoral census closure, can justify
as well his/her inclusion in the electoral
census.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
19/2/21 10:28, "Noah" <<a
href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"
moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Mark,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Fri, Feb 19,
2021 at 12:05 PM Mark Elkins <<a
href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za"
moz-do-not-send="true">mje@posix.co.za</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Monaco">Ask
the NomCom to ask for volunteers. Just use
the templates from 2020. Have an initial
cut-off after seven days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt">The template
could do with some new fresh ideas reference
to criteria ....imho <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Monaco">We
also need to have a system on deciding who
is in for a short term and who is in for a
longer term. Voting may be the simplest
method (as this will all be done remotely).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since the PDWG
and its participants operate by
participation, we should also give a chance
to rough consensus/consensus after all
voting itself is not defined in the CPM
though it has been a practice in recent
years.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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has subscribers who passive and are not
necessarily participating in PDWG
discussions. What do we think of this? <o:p></o:p></p>
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