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<p>Thank you Jordi, for the work you have done in the community, and
that you are still doing. Nostalgic, that we reached consensus
with Nigerian Immigration that was not even a member of our
community, when we needed to.</p>
<p>We can still do this one!</p>
<p>Sunday.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/19/21 9:55 AM, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Hi Sylvain,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Sunday
knows me very well and I’m sure he knows that I’m happy to
work not just with him, but with *<b>anyone</b>* always
(even with people that disagree with my proposals! Is not
that surprising?).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Sunday
actually “rescued” me during a weekend from the
“deportation” from Lagos that I suffered in the early
years of AFRINIC when I was helping with the first IPv6
trainings. Note that I did nothing wrong, just the people
in the consulate, wanted a brive and I fall into the trap!
So we have a long history behind!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 19/2/21
9:50, "Sylvain Baya" <<a
href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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PDWG,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le ven.
19 févr. 2021 06:29, Noah <<a
href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On
Fri, 19 Feb 2021, 01:56 Sylvain Baya, <<a
href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi
Sylvain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Noah,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thanks for
your email, brother. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...just a
precision to the PDWG: it's still Sunday <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">who is
checking the Rough Consensus on these selection matters
:-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Maybe Jordi,
who discarded my proposition <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">to become a
replacement/interim PDWG Chair, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">want to work
with Sunday :-/<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...any other
volunteer? (we can have more than <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">two, if we
want)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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remaining question: <o:p></o:p></p>
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model of *selection* y'all prefer?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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selection based on an election
(online) as usual [1];<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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selection through rough consensus
[2];<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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selection based on ranking
voting [3];<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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selection inside a group of
selectees based on criteria
[4];<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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any other possibility?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since
the working group functions by participation, a
selection by rough consensus would come in handy
after all, the PDWG activities end goal is to
accomplish work by finding a path to consensus so
[2] should be considered as first option by the
WG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">A
selection based on ranking voting would be the
second best choice imho so [3] should be
considered as second choice by the WG imho.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Thank you
for sharing your choices.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...i failed
to number the bullets :'-(<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">then the
choices become as below:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•1| a
selection based on an election (online) as usual [1];<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•2| a
selection through rough consensus [2];<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•3| a
selection based on ranking voting [3];<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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a selection inside a group of selectees based on
criteria [4];<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">•5| any
other possibility?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">NOTE:
Before we even think of the above, can we as a WG
agree on a set of criteria for one to become a
chair. This I believe is more important and I have
some few ideas like;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Many thanks
for the proposed criteria.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">1.
Active participation in WG discussions, in say,
the past 3 years.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...i amend
Criterion#1 as follow: ...in at least one year during the
past three years.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">2.
Demonstrate clear understanding of the CPM and
especially sections that relate to PDWG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...i second
Criterion#2!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">3.
Some 5 years sound technical experience in this
space with a clear understanding of Internet
Protocol and preferably having worked in this
space.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I amend
Criterion#3 in proposing to add this: ...could be an
advantage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">4.
Affiliation with an entity which is am AFRINIC
resource members could come in handy. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...Criterion#4
second!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">5.
Understanding of rfc7282 and what rough consensus
and consensus is all about, after all consensus is
a path and not a destination.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Brother, i
don't get Criterion#5 very well. Please can you
simplify/clarify the proposed text? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...i would
have said it this way: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Criterion#5.
Understanding of how Rough <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Consensus
achievement can be checking/<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">verifying/conducting;
in comformance with <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">RFC7282.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Other
participants in this WG can also add and we see
what criteria are more required and which ones to
discard to keep it simple.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Criterion#6.
...coming soon maybe ; -)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I
stand to be corrected but I think we as a WG have
an obligation to first sort this requirements out
before we can think of the selection of interim
co-chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...you are
right! it has been left TBD (To Be Defined) <o:p></o:p></p>
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