<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite">On 19 Feb 2021, at 13:52, Paschal Ochang <pascosoft@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hello all,<div><br></div><div>It will be fair to use the same standards you judge others to judge yourself. From Jordi's approach about the decision of the way forward which Noah openly criticized I will say that Noah is using the same approach and a failure to acknowledge Jordis approach points to the fact that this approach is also not a good methodology.</div><div><br></div><div>Secondly is Noah part of NoMCoM?</div><div><br></div><div>Does this approach sit well with the current state of the art as defined by the CPM?</div><div><br></div><div>For me this approach sidelines a large population of capable volunteers.</div><div><br></div><div>However I do support that NoMCoM should provide clarity on this.</div></div></div></blockquote>+1.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 12:35 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-m_7692760079962842786plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" target="_blank">@Anthony Ubah</a> ,<div><br></div><div>May I humbly call your attention to the precedence as seen on this link which is the same situation we might likely find ourselves.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://afrinic.net/election-process?view=article&id=2645&lang=en" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/election-process?view=article&id=2645&lang=en</a></div><div><br></div><div>In this case, the NoMCoM draws up the criteria. I worked with @Mark Elkins and other NoMCoM members last year and I'm sure he will be chipping in on this to provide guidance.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope that answers your disagreement with Noah.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Caleb Ogundele.</div><div>Community Member</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 1:27 PM Anthony Ubah <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" target="_blank">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hello Noah,<br><br><br>This is an interesting list of criteria, but I'll have to disagree with them in this case.</div><div dir="ltr">I'll narrow my reason down to one thing, and that is, this directly contravenes the AfriNIC (PDWG) Election Process. Also, nothing in the CPM clearly prevents any member of the community from voting.<br><br>Under the Policy Development Working Group (PDWG), Election Process, (<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group?lang=en-GB#election" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group?lang=en-GB#election</a>)</div><div dir="ltr">it states thus;</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><b>3) Candidate Eligibility</b><br>The candidate must:<br><ol><li>Be a natural person residing in a country from the AFRINIC service region.</li><li>Not be a staff of AFRINIC or any other Regional Internet Registry (RIR).</li></ol></blockquote><br>An election is slated to be open and fair, thus should be no criteria contrary to those of the CPM, which is our guide. Kindly note that only a policy can effect changes otherwise.<br><br>So basically, we need to promote the idea of an open election and fair elections, thus none’s rights should be stifled. Any candidate willing to volunteer to run for a chair should be allowed to exercise his/her rights to do so.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On a final note, you have just played the same role which you have criticized Jordi for, what goes around does come around.<br><p style="line-height:150%"><b style="line-height:150%;font-size:12.8px"><span style="line-height:150%"><font face="garamond, serif">Best Regards,</font></span></b></p><p style="line-height:150%"><font face="garamond, serif"><b style="line-height:150%;font-size:12.8px"><span style="line-height:150%">UBAH ANTHONY<br></span></b></font></p></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 6:54 AM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Hi PDWG participants,</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Could we as a WG participants agree on a set of criteria for a WG participant to become a co-chair. </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">This I believe is more important and I had shared some few ideas below a separate thread but I think it would make sense to work this out on this new thread.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Some thoughts that crossed my mind as criteria;</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">1. Active participation in WG discussions by a participant, in say, the past 3 years.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">2. Participant should demonstrate a clear understanding of the CPM and especially sections that relate to the PDWG.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">3. Participant should have some 5 years sound technical experience in this space with a clear understanding of Internet Protocol and preferably having worked in this space.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">4. Affiliation with an entity which is am AFRINIC resource members could come in handy for a participant interested in chairing policy discussions.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">5. Understanding of rfc7282 and what rough consensus and consensus is all about, after all consensus is a path and not a destination. This is very important.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Other participants in this WG can also add and we see what criteria are more required and which ones to discard to keep it simple.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">I stand to be corrected but I think we as a WG have an obligation to first sort this requirements out before we can think of the selection of the interim co-chairs.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Cheers</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Noah</div></div></div></div>
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