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<p>Saul,</p>
<p>Lets keep showing how building consensus should be: Keeping it
short and simple, and focusing on the message and not the
messenger.</p>
<p>Great progress.<br>
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<p>Sunday.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/19/21 9:10 AM, Saul Stein wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Sunday, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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point 6:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This
is something that I think is the fundamental breakdown and
cause of our troubles and goes for all of us, not just the
selection of co-chairs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">When
we get involved in volunteer work, it is just that – we do
so for the better of the community and organisation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">One
needs to understand that self-serving interest does not come
into play and that there could very well be circumstances
where what is right for the community is not what is right
for your particular personal or business need. However, we
need to put the community first ALWAYS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Once
we have that right, I think things will improve
considerably.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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my 2cents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> Sunday Folayan
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 19 February 2021 09:48<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Silber <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com"><silber.mike@gmail.com></a>;
Noah <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"><noah@neo.co.tz></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Criteria for Eligibility or
Selection of PDWG Co-Chairs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I am OK with Noah's trajectory, proposition, and Mike's
modification. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Slight edit in 4. "which is am AFRINIC resource members"
should read "who is an AFRINIC resource member" <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I also think we should add ... <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>6. Ability to remain calm in the face of provocation and
respect for the continental diversity. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Sunday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/19/21 7:38 AM, Mike Silber wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Noah <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that is an excellent list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only thing I would add to your
point 5 is an intangible quality - a history (or
perception) of building consensus. Some of us understand
RFC 7282, but because of our passion, style or language
are less successful (or perceived as less successful) at
moving the group towards consensus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 at 07:54, Noah
<<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"
moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi PDWG participants,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Could we as a WG participants
agree on a set of criteria for a WG participant
to become a co-chair. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This I believe is more
important and I had shared some few ideas below
a separate thread but I think it would make
sense to work this out on this new thread.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some thoughts that crossed my
mind as criteria;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1.
Active participation in WG discussions by a
participant, in say, the past 3 years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2.
Participant should demonstrate a clear
understanding of the CPM and especially
sections that relate to the PDWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3.
Participant should have some 5 years sound
technical experience in this space with a
clear understanding of Internet Protocol and
preferably having worked in this space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">4.
Affiliation with an entity which is am
AFRINIC resource members could come in handy
for a participant interested in chairing
policy discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">5.
Understanding of rfc7282 and what rough
consensus and consensus is all about, after
all consensus is a path and not a
destination. This is very important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Other
participants in this WG can also add and we
see what criteria are more required and
which ones to discard to keep it simple.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
stand to be corrected but I think we as a WG
have an obligation to first sort this
requirements out before we can think of the
selection of the interim co-chairs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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