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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What about making 2 lists, one for requirements, one for desired or convenient aspects?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Should we also, as part of the convenient aspects, include “live in AFRINIC coverage regions”?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, we will have:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Requirements<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Understanding of RFC7282.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Not being author of any of the actual policy proposals in discussion. Withdrawing from them if selected is not acceptable.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Active (not just reading emails) participation in PDWG for at least 2 years.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Clear understanding of CPM/PDP.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>At least 3 years of experience in networking.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Desired Capabilities<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>2.1 Ability to remain calm in the face of provocations and respect for the diversity<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>2.2 Be (or employed by) an AFRINIC resource-holder<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>2.3 Ability to openly declare lack of knowledge to assess the community inputs on specific topics and call for staff or experts advise <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(note that I’ve reworded diversity, because this way it is more ample, it is not just geography)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I prefer not keep discussing (not important at this point, we can do it later) if a process should be part of the PDP or not. I think it is. Anything that modifies the way the PDP is “read” or “interpreted” must be part of the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 19/2/21 10:22, "Sunday Folayan" <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please see my comments inset:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 2/19/21 10:08 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Noah,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I disagree, it is exactly the same:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I “provoked” a discussion and the PDWG followed and then we reached consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>There was (rough) consensus truly, but it was an abdication of the PDWG responsibilities. No Board action was required, and is not required.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You “provoked” a discussion with a set of requirements and the PDWG is following it to reach consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hopefully ... and with PDWG action, and not Board action.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Be sure that I will contribute, don’t cut down the email that shows clearly what I said. We can disagree, but not play with words, that's unfair, so repeating myself:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Setting a criterion without a policy proposal and the subsequent PDP process is *<b>against the PDP</b>*.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Not really. The CPM talks of a process .... That is what we are defining, and it need not go by way of actually drafting a policy and waiting for an f2f meeting to discuss it and of course, there are no co-chairs in place. This is even about the Co-Chairs!<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Nevertheless, if this is the path that the PDWG prefer, because this is about consensus, I agree.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>You are a good man. Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I will like to change the priority (make it a bit shorter also), add something but take something out:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Understanding of RFC7282.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Not being author of any of the actual policy proposals in discussion.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Active (not just reading emails) participation in PDWG. I think 2 years is good enough.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Clear understanding of CPM/PDP.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>At least 3 years of experience in networking.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Don't for get the number 6. <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>6. Ability to remain calm in the face of provocation and respect for the continental diversity. <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Asking to be a member is discriminatory. If we add that, it should a “wish”, but never excluding. I see folks that I believe aren’t members and are contributing actively and their rationales are very logic.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>So ... does<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>7. Preference will be for a volunteer affiliated to a member organization. <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>work for you?<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I think they should also commit, to ask help to staff or external experts when they don’t have knowledge in any specific topic before taking decisions and ensure that they are engaged with the participant discussions to clarify their position before going to take a decision “on-site” in the meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Lol. How do we code that? sounds like ... "must have the ability to go and eat, when hungry!"<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Sunday.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>El 19/2/21 10:03, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:54 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now, you are doing exactly the same that you complained I did. Surprising!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Not at all... on the contrary, the working group is participating in a discussion that stemmed from another discussion that had been started by Sylvain. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Since you are a participant in the WG, I encourage you to contribute to the discussion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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