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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Can we calm down for a minute?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There was a proposal for 4 options. Forget for a minute I leaded that effort. There was a much higher support form the community for choice 1 and I think only 2 people objected.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Now we have a bunch of people objecting to a new alternative with a criteria and telling ourselves that if a rought consensus selections doesn’t work (A), we will fall back to a ranked voting (B).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Do you think with the current discussion there is any chance of:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Reaching consensus in the criteria<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>and then<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Reaching consensus on the selection<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Also, how we will do the voting (B), what is the electoral census?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think now it makes much more sense to reconsider the discussion that we had until yesterday and no need for any kind of “transition chairs”. If among the candidates we can convince some of them to withdraw, then we have the same result, but we avoid needing to reach consensus “a priory” on criteria, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Just thinking loud.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I still will be happy with whatever decision we take in order to choose clearly neutral chairs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 19/2/21 15:35, "Fernando Frediani" <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I really fail to understand this wish form some people to select someone for a role "by consensus".<br>This is not something good, practical (specially in a environment like we are) and that can easily leave doubts and distrust by many. I really wanted to understand why people believe so much in this type of exotic choice for persons for a role.<br>Look, choosing people is much different from move forward a proposal by consensus. It isn't the same thing, definitely is not !<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>In the situation we are who will determine there was a consensus or not about some person ? What if someone disagrees ? There is no current Co-Chairs to have the decision appealed as per the PDP.<br>Let's be practical as most places and vote or a show of hands as per last time having a electoral census of who can participate in this. Other than that isn't just something good or practical for most scenarios and may only contribute for this situation to remain as it is.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 19/02/2021 06:25, Sunday Folayan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>In the light of MJE's contribution, I would like to modify my earlier submission.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><br>My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection: <br><br>• [A] a selection through rough consensus [2] After prospects do volunteer; <br>• [B] a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more than 2 volunteers, then discussions; <br>• [C] a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1] if more than 2 candidates and discussions stalemate; <br>• [D] a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4] (a long and unnecessary process for selecting the interim Chairs); <br>• [E] any other possibility? <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I have no problem with NOMCOM being the selectees in [D] above. It will not be a long and un-necessary process.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Sunday.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 2/19/21 9:58 AM, Mark Elkins wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Ask the NomCom to ask for volunteers. Just use the templates from 2020. Have an initial cut-off after seven days.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>With last year, I was quite ecstatic when we ended up with just one volunteer. "Consensus" as such is great.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>However, we technically need one person for three to six months and another for that same period plus one year. I'm wondering whether it might be more sane to extend both of these positions by one year? - or we simply consent to have the same people extended by an additional year each at whenever we have the next AFRINIC meeting? Alternativly - we could be seen as simply bringing forwards the normal election of Co-Chairs to now(ish) - as we have an urgent need.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>We also need to have a system on deciding who is in for a short term and who is in for a longer term. Voting may be the simplest method (as this will all be done remotely).<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Any way - my thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 2/19/21 9:55 AM, Sunday Folayan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello Sylvain <br><br>On 2/18/21 11:48 PM, Sylvain Baya wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>~°~ <br>• a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1]; <br>• a selection through rough consensus [2]; <br>• a selection based on ranking voting [3]; <br>• a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4]; <br>• any other possibility? <br>~°~ <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection: <br><br>• a selection through rough consensus [2] After prospects do volunteer; <br>• a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more than 2 volunteers, then discussions; <br>• a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1] if more than 2 candidates and discussions stalemate; <br>• a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4] (a long and unnecessary process for selecting the interim Chairs); <br>• any other possibility? <br><br><br>Sunday. <br><br>_______________________________________________ <br>RPD mailing list <br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa<br><a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> Tel: <a href="tel:+27826010496">+27.826010496</a><br>For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: <a href="https://ftth.posix.co.za">https://ftth.posix.co.za</a><br><br><img border=0 width=250 height=165 style='width:2.6041in;height:1.7187in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D706D7.41913690" alt="Posix
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