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<p>Fernando,</p>
I was just responding to a question asked me, by Sylvian. I was not
thinking for the Working Group, as I do not have such skills. If you
read my email, without following the thread that led to my mail, it
will make no sense. <br>
<p>FWIW ... One person not agreeing or not even participating, just
means that the decision is not unanimous, it does not mean that
there is no (rough) consensus [1].</p>
<p> It is not a good idea to always object because one wants to be
different. When there is no horse in the race, it is always good
to let it go. Some day, you will need others to also agree to your
own proposition, and then hope that they do not want to be
different.<br>
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<p>Sunday.</p>
<p>1.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://gri-bloggen.se/what-is-consensus/#:~:text=In%20a%20nutshell%2C%20unanimity%20is,is%20when%20no%20one%20disagrees.&text=Unanimity%20is%20reached%20if%20everyone,and%20to%20simply%20remain%20silent">http://gri-bloggen.se/what-is-consensus/#:~:text=In%20a%20nutshell%2C%20unanimity%20is,is%20when%20no%20one%20disagrees.&text=Unanimity%20is%20reached%20if%20everyone,and%20to%20simply%20remain%20silent</a>.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/19/21 3:29 PM, Fernando Frediani
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<p>I really fail to understand this wish form some people to
select someone for a role "by consensus".<br>
This is not something good, practical (specially in a
environment like we are) and that can easily leave doubts and
distrust by many. I really wanted to understand why people
believe so much in this type of exotic choice for persons for a
role.<br>
Look, choosing people is much different from move forward a
proposal by consensus. It isn't the same thing, definitely is
not !<br>
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<p>In the situation we are who will determine there was a
consensus or not about some person ? What if someone disagrees ?
There is no current Co-Chairs to have the decision appealed as
per the PDP.<br>
Let's be practical as most places and vote or a show of hands as
per last time having a electoral census of who can participate
in this. Other than that isn't just something good or practical
for most scenarios and may only contribute for this situation to
remain as it is.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/02/2021 06:25, Sunday Folayan
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<p>In the light of MJE's contribution, I would like to modify my
earlier submission.</p>
<p><br>
My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection: <br>
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• [A] a selection through rough consensus [2] After prospects
do volunteer; <br>
• [B] a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more than 2
volunteers, then discussions; <br>
• [C] a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1]
if more than 2 candidates and discussions stalemate; <br>
• [D] a selection inside a group of selectees based on
criteria [4] (a long and unnecessary process for selecting the
interim Chairs); <br>
• [E] any other possibility? <br>
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<p>I have no problem with NOMCOM being the selectees in [D]
above. It will not be a long and un-necessary process.<br>
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<p>Sunday.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/19/21 9:58 AM, Mark Elkins
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<p>Ask the NomCom to ask for volunteers. Just use the
templates from 2020. Have an initial cut-off after seven
days.</p>
<p>With last year, I was quite ecstatic when we ended up with
just one volunteer. "Consensus" as such is great.</p>
<p>However, we technically need one person for three to six
months and another for that same period plus one year. I'm
wondering whether it might be more sane to extend both of
these positions by one year? - or we simply consent to have
the same people extended by an additional year each at
whenever we have the next AFRINIC meeting? Alternativly -
we could be seen as simply bringing forwards the normal
election of Co-Chairs to now(ish) - as we have an urgent
need.<br>
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<p>We also need to have a system on deciding who is in for a
short term and who is in for a longer term. Voting may be
the simplest method (as this will all be done remotely).</p>
<p>Any way - my thoughts.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/19/21 9:55 AM, Sunday
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Sylvain <br>
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On 2/18/21 11:48 PM, Sylvain Baya wrote: <br>
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• a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1];
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• a selection through rough consensus [2]; <br>
• a selection based on ranking voting [3]; <br>
• a selection inside a group of selectees based on
criteria [4]; <br>
• any other possibility? <br>
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My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection: <br>
<br>
• a selection through rough consensus [2] After prospects do
volunteer; <br>
• a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more than 2
volunteers, then discussions; <br>
• a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1] if
more than 2 candidates and discussions stalemate; <br>
• a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria
[4] (a long and unnecessary process for selecting the
interim Chairs); <br>
• any other possibility? <br>
<br>
<br>
Sunday. <br>
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