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<p>Jordi,</p>
<p>Please see my comments inset:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/19/21 10:08 AM, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Hi Noah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">I disagree, it is exactly the same:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I “provoked” a discussion and the PDWG followed
and then we reached consensus.</span></p>
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<p>There was (rough) consensus truly, but it was an abdication of
the PDWG responsibilities. No Board action was required, and is
not required.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">You “provoked” a discussion with a set of
requirements and the PDWG is following it to reach
consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hopefully ... and with PDWG action, and not Board action.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Be sure
that I will contribute, don’t cut down the email that
shows clearly what I said. We can disagree, but not play
with words, that's unfair, so repeating myself:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Setting
a criterion without a policy proposal and the subsequent
PDP process is *<b>against the PDP</b>*.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Not really. The CPM talks of a process .... That is what we are
defining, and it need not go by way of actually drafting a policy
and waiting for an f2f meeting to discuss it and of course, there
are no co-chairs in place. This is even about the Co-Chairs!<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Nevertheless,
if this is the path that the PDWG prefer, because this is
about consensus, I agree.</span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>You are a good man. Thank you!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I will
like to change the priority (make it a bit shorter also),
add something but take something out:</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Understanding of RFC7282.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Not
being author of any of the actual policy proposals in
discussion.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Active
(not just reading emails) participation in PDWG. I think
2 years is good enough.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Clear
understanding of CPM/PDP.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">At least
3 years of experience in networking.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p>Don't for get the number 6. <br>
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<p>6. Ability to remain calm in the face of provocation and respect
for the continental diversity. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Asking to be a member is discriminatory. If
we add that, it should a “wish”, but never excluding. I
see folks that I believe aren’t members and are
contributing actively and their rationales are very logic.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>So ... does<br>
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<p>7. Preference will be for a volunteer affiliated to a member
organization. <br>
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<p>work for you?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">I think they should also commit, to ask help
to staff or external experts when they don’t have
knowledge in any specific topic before taking decisions
and ensure that they are engaged with the participant
discussions to clarify their position before going to take
a decision “on-site” in the meeting.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Lol. How do we code that? sounds like ... "must have the ability
to go and eat, when hungry!"<br>
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<p>Sunday.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 19/2/21
10:03, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"
moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Fri,
Feb 19, 2021 at 11:54 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Now, you are
doing exactly the same that you complained I did.
Surprising!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Not at
all... on the contrary, the working group is
participating in a discussion that stemmed from another
discussion that had been started by Sylvain. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since you
are a participant in the WG, I encourage you to
contribute to the discussion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Noah<o:p></o:p></p>
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