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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/02/2021 06:03, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Finally,
the alternative is the Board setting a policy for that …
see the summary of the discussion for a further
explanation. I think the community already said they don’t
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<p>If you are referring to article 11.4 I think this is very
controversial thing, even if it is stated in the bylaws because if
done in such way it voids ICP-2. The is reason is because the PDP
does not currently allow the Board to do that, so it is irrelevant
to this context that the bylaws do. Bylaws is not the right place
to regulate that, PDP is. And different from ARIN the PDWG
prerogatives are not a <span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span
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<p>Article 11.5 would make total sense, only if PDWG would have made
this delegation to the Board in the PDP for urgent cases. That
currently does not exist.</p>
<p>PDP makes it clear at point 3.2: "<i><b>All policies</b> are
developed <b>by the Internet community</b> following the three
principles of openness, transparency and fairness.</i>" - so no
exception.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 17/2/21
2:53, "Fernando Frediani" <<a
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hello Gregoire<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Well, the PDP makes it clear that
is up to the WG to select the Co-Chairs, no one else (point
3.3). It doesn't have a fallback mechanism or even a point
which allows the WG defer that decision to the Board.<br>
This is different from when something is not mentioned at all
and is considered not covered by current rules.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">So anything different from what is
in the PDP right now is a change in the PDP and a change in
the PDP can only be done via the due process with rough
consensus when we have new Co-Chairs in place. Even if the WG
would decide unanimously right now to defer that decision it
is something that cannot be done at the present because the
current PDP as written forbids it having it clear the only way
Co-Chairs can be chosen. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I keep hoping the Board will
organize the elections soon and we will be able to progress in
this matter with the natural way which is the WG choosing.<br>
Hope also in the next change we have to adjust the PDP we can
include the possibility for the Board to be able to select
temporary/interim Co-Chairs during unforeseen situation and it
is in other RIRs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards<br>
Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 16/02/2021
21:50, Gregoire EHOUMI wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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is <b>no provision</b> in the current CPM <b>for
the Board to choose the Co-Chairs</b> even in such
exceptional situation like this. In my view this is
unfortunately the PDP hasn't been adjusted yet for
this possibility but the reality is that it does not
exist anywhere in the CPM.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Let me
repeat what other have said:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The PDP
does not prescribe any selection mechanism and all we
have done in the past was by the WG decision and
acceptance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">So the WG
may also decide to defer to Board to address the special
situation we are in.<o:p></o:p></p>
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stick to what we have. If we managed to get
experienced people to act as temporary-transition
Co-Chairs we may be able to improve this part of PDP
as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">If the
WG could agree on the option which you seem to support
above, we won’t need to defer to any other entity.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">But If
we continue to waste time and show our inability to
self-organize, there are provisions which allows Board
to fix the lack of consensus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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2021, at 6:17 PM, Owen DeLong <<a
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about instead, we follow the rules as
you request and have the PDWG select
interim co-chairs until the next
election?<br>
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decision by consensus and should select
interim co-chair(s) easily if behaving as
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spending valuable time and energy in
arguing and should have spent the time to
select co-chairs via a call of experienced
volunteers capable of immediately acting
and select the best among them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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trial and fall back to board?<o:p></o:p></p>
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agree with this. A call for volunteers is a good
start point. When there is a slate of n<3,
selection is easier.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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the Board to manage the selection process, is
unnecessary anticipation of what may not exist, at
this time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Sunday.<br>
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