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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Arnaud,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I agree with you and we have a precedent of chairs sending this report in copy to the list. What I’m not sure is if this happened with all the co-chairs (I wish, as you said, because transparency is key).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>However, following the PDP, chairs are not obliged to do that. The problem here is not just that, is the interpretation of what is a report of the discussions. It is a very generic definition, which some participants, looking at the previous chair’s reports could say “this is fine” or “this is not enough”. So, asking for a specific format “because” this is what we got from previous chairs, is wrong and against the PDP. We will only be able to judge if the emails where having sufficient information only when we get a copy of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Again, to make it clear, I fully agree with you, it should have been done that way, but the way has been done is not incorrect. I hope we can verify that by having a copy from the staff or the co-chairs about those emails.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 16/2/21 21:27, "Arnaud AMELINA" <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hum please see inline <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le mar. 16 févr. 2021 à 13:44, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Feb 16, 2021, at 05:22 , Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>1st: How would the cochairs send a WG discussions report and ratification request to board without Cc’ing the rpd list?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This constitutes a clear violation of the transparency principle and long standing practices of the WG...( report to board always made public)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I’ve been on this list for a long time… I don’t recall any of the co-chair requests to the board for ratification being sent to this list, yet you say this has always happened?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Is my memory so faulty?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>Your memory is not faulty. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>Your real participation in the PDP in this region started when the last former two cochairs got elected and as they never published their report to board... you can't remember that...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>The problem is that you did not try to search the archives and also did not find anything wrong if reports to board were not made public...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>But as I said in my previous mail... you are definitely on a mission against the "<b>vapoware"</b> for reasons which are now visible and you can’t even act consistently.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>If your memory tells you that cochairs never publish their report to board... why are you now asking that this one be made public?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>Why should these reports be kept secret?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'>Previous cochairs adhered to the transparency principle and always made public their report to board....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007944.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007944.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009079.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009079.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008498.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008498.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008499.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008499.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008500.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008500.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ...<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>2nd: how come board would not have received a mail sent by cochairs?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>... <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Arnaud <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd 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