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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Paschal,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I realized there was a typo in your name in the document, so corrected if for the last version; sorry about that!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I need to learn what means “Thematic and Hermeneutic” … but seems a very logic thing, as without knowing it, I “used it”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think the lesson here is that:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We can reach consensus (or not) only if we analyze the objections of any proposal in a neutral and objective way.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This can’t be done in a PPM. It is a work that requires time, it requires the chairs to come back to the participants, community and authors to ensure if the objections are refutable or not.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Objections don’t need to be classified as minor or major or whatever. They are just valid or invalid. If they are valid and can’t be refuted but is a good trade-off for the overall community, sometimes the objectors can still concede and allow the proposal to move forward.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is why I think the current PDP needs to be updated (and I wrote a policy proposal about that) and one of the key points is that it is not correct that the decision of the chairs needs to be taken in the PPM, but a few days afterwards, so to be able to open a dialogue in open issues and then resolve the question about the consensus. It also requires a lot of work to follow the discussion and elaborate a continuous “follow-up” of the discussion (for every proposal).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Note that I didn’t elaborated the document at the end, instead I was writing it every few hours with the inputs received, and drafting some conclusions, which may change along the discussion progress. If we had more time for the discussion, then I would have asked for clarifications, and this is what I expect from chairs, to follow the discussion and ask the confronted opinions for as many clarifications are needed during all the discussion, unless those clarifications already happen by the discussion itself. Same as asking experts and/or staff when you don’t know about a topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I hope this could be a useful example in the future for the progress of the PDWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 16/2/21 13:15, "Paschal Ochang" <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>+1 Jordi for this concise methodological approach. If I can remember very well I was one of the early advocates of halting decisions due to the lack of personnel (co chairs) to moderate PDP discussions. I do support the points where there seems to be a converging consensus. I can see your Thematic and Hermeneutic approach which I applaud.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:20 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <</span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><span lang=EN-US>rpd@afrinic.net</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Hi all,<br><br>As I've indicated a few days ago, I've elaborated a summary of the discussion on the list, happened until noon CET today.<br><br>Find it attached.<br><br>I'm convinced that some may disagree. I disagree myself with the choice that the consensus shows, however, until the board takes a decision, in order keep my neutrality, I will not explain why, because even if I disagree, I can concede which that choice, and this is what consensus means.<br><br>If anyone believes that I've misinterpreted his/her view (note that the summary is not a literal transcription), please say so, clearly stating your position and justifying the objections. 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