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<p>Correct Owen, I understood the discussion was about that.</p>
<p>Sure, there is no apparent problem with people involved in a
policy discussion to run. If that person gets elected and is an
author of a proposal then of course if expected he will not take a
decision about the consensus for this own proposal.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2021 19:49, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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<div class="">On Feb 12, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Fernando Frediani
<<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class=""
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2021 19:25, Owen
DeLong wrote:<br class="">
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">We
have also the problem, with your list, that
some of them may be in Committees (example
AC), or involved in policy proposals under
discussion and if we want them to be really
neutral, it should be people that *<b class="">hasn’t
participated in those proposals</b>*
discussions. Someone could think “let’s get
opt to withdraw from those policy proposals ….
Come on!, they have already worked in them,
and as humans, it is not 100% safe to believe
that they will be objective” (even if some of
the names can be good for my own proposal
case, because they supported them one way or
another – I’m trying to be honest and
transparent here).</span></div>
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For co-chairs, you want people that have been active
and experienced in the policy arena. Looking for them
to meet that criteria and yet never have expressed an
opinion on a policy under current (or future)
discussion is an unrealistic expectation. Really, we
should not disqualify people simply because their name
is associated with a policy, but rather we should
expect that they will disclose any COI and that we
trust them to act on behalf of the community and not
merely their own interest.</div>
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Sorry but for me this is so naive.<br class="">
People are human and they have their own opinions which
are often difficult to separate when they need to act on
behalf of the community. Even if they strongly believe
they know how to separate things most of the time they
will fool themselves to feel more comfortable they are
doing it fine. It's human nature.<br class="">
<p class="">I believe people need to chose their place: if
they made themselves available and were elected to act
on behalf of the community they must not put their
personal opinions while their tenure is on and look the
most neutral possible. Otherwise there will always be
doubts and distrust from people watching it. If the
person is not prepared for that it is simple: just don't
put himself/herself forward.</p>
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We are talking about different things here, Fernando…</div>
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<div>I was talking about disqualifying someone from running
because they are currently actively involved in a policy
discussion or proposal.</div>
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<div>You are talking about how someone should behave while in
office.</div>
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<div>Owen</div>
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<p class="">Fernando<br class="">
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<div class="">OWen</div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
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lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
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sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">El 9/2/21 12:51,
"Dewole Ajao" <<a
href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng"
style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>
escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Errrm,
thanks for the vote of confidence, Jordi but I
don't think I have enough bandwidth at this
time. Maybe a larger steering group with more
past co-chairs so that the workload isn't so
much on any one person? Yes, we absolutely
should salute the co-chairs even when there are
errors in judgement. It's not an easy role.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Removing
former CEOs and current board members, the ex
co-chair pool (according to<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group"
style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>) looks
like this:<br class="">
Vincent Ngundi <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Hytham El Nakhal <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Paulos Nyirenda<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Tim McGinnis<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Emile Milandou<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Adam Nelson<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Barry Macharia<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Sami Salih<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Alain
Aina seems to be a reasonable addition given
that he has contributed and continues to
contribute actively to policy development. We
could also call for volunteers.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">This is
an interesting situation indeed because at the
end of all this "speculation", someone has to
decide on what next (and regardless of whom it
is, someone is going to disagree regarding their
standing... Example "board must not interfere
with PDP", "legal counsel is not legal counsel
to the PDWG", etc). Time for us all to be grown
up, it would appear.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Regards,<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Dewole.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">On 2/9/2021 12:05 PM,
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">This is why I
suggested:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""
lang="EN-US">> 4) Instead of looking for
a temporary replacement, asking the board to
organize elections in a maximum of 4-6
weeks, using the same procedure that was
prepared for the last time and using the
same electoral census.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">I still believe
that it will be good a transition period
with previous chairs that have *<b class="">real
and proven experience</b>*.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">For example,
Dewole and Alan, would you accept to be
nominated for that transition period (6-12
months I’m guessing)?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm
12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
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Calibri, sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">El 9/2/21 10:54,
"Dewole Ajao via RPD" <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<p style="margin-left: 70.8pt;" class="">The
proposed election process may have been
workable if we did not already have contention
over an unusual/unexplained surge in mailing
list registrations a couple of moons ago.
Setting a cut off date before that surge then
cuts off some real humans that joined the
mailing list after the surge. What to do?<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left: 70.8pt;" class="">Dewole.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">On 2/9/2021 10:13 AM,
Owen DeLong wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">The co-chair model is
by far the more common model among all the
RIRs.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">However, there is
one exception and I will say that in its
region, it has served the community rather
well throughout the history of that RIR.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">It’s also the region
where I have the greatest familiarity, now
being in my 14th year of service in that
body.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">In our region, we
have 15 members and they come from diverse
segments of the community (cloud
providers, large ISPs, small ISPs,
individuals, and more).<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Being that I have
been involved for so long in that process
at such a deep level, my view may be
somewhat biased, but if the PDWG wishes to
pursue a transition towards an Advisory
Council structure instead of just 2
co-chairs, I’m happy to contribute my
knowledge and experience to that process.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">However, this should
not be the immediate fix to the current
situation.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">The current
situation should be resolved in the most
efficient possible way to achieve a fair
and open election from the existing
participants in the community.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Lacking co-chairs to
lead the process, I think it should
probably fall to the election committee to
manage the election process. I propose
that:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>1.<span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>EC
set a date (in the past) at which time you
must have been a member of the RPD<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>list
in order to vote. This should prevent any
room stacking and allay any fears of
room-stacking.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>2.<span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>EC
sets a date (~10-14 days out) when
nominations open. Anyone eligible person
wishing to serve may<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>self-nominate
or be nominated by another. EC should
collect and validate all such<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>nominations.
All validated nominees should be placed on
a slate. Nominations should<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>run
for 1 week from the opening date.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>3.<span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Each
candidate should be able to submit a video
and written statement to be posted on the<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>AfriNIC
web site at the same time as the slate is
announced.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>4.<span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Two
weeks after announcement of the slate,
voting should commence and run for 1 week.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Each
member should make a ranked-choice vote of
1 or more candidates to hold the office.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>If
you aren’t familiar with ranked-choice
voting, <a
href="https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)"
style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)</a><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>provides
good detail.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Essentially,
the votes are counted in consecutive
rounds, starting with everyone’s first
choice.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The
candidate receiving the lowest percentage
vote in each round is eliminated and their
votes<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>are
transferred to the next choice of each
voter who had contributed to their total
votes.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>In
this case, since we are electing two
co-chairs, once the first candidate
reaches a ≥50%<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>majority
in the ranked-choices, they should be
selected to serve out the longer term and<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="apple-tab-span"> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>the
next-highest ranked candidate should be
selected to serve out the shorter term.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Even this process
will take time, but I think we should have
a deliberate process and a proper election<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">for the fairness of
all.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Owen<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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class="">On Feb 9, 2021, at 00:16 ,
Dewole Ajao via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 70.8pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Actually
there is no king in the PDP,
fortunately or unfortunately.
Hopefully though, the market will
be coordinated as best possible
using the untested rules we have
to work with in this case.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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style="font-size: 9pt;
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take:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Helvetica;" class="">PDP
(section 3.5) says a co-chair may
be recalled (with request and
justification sent to the board of
directors); Logically, the recall
process ends in either recall of
the co-chair or continuation of
his/her term. That's all that the
conflict resolution section states
and as such we will have to go to
another part of the PDP that makes
mention of a truncated co-chair
term.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Helvetica;" class="">The
applicable section (i.e. 3.3) says
the Working Group may select a
replacement to serve the remainder
of the term. Given the current
polarized state of this working
group, perhaps Afrinic staff under
the guidance of the CEO and some
advisory from the Board (being the
representatives of resource
members) could convene an online
meeting in which the working group
properly analyzes the situation
and chooses a path forward?<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Considering
our current fear of room stacking
ahead of either face to face and
online polls, it would be
interesting to see how we resolve
this one. Is this the birth of a
PDWG led by a small group rather
than 2 individuals? A group given
a mandate to somehow tidy up many
of the flaws in the current PDP?<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Regards,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Dewole
who quickly runs off to get a
flame retardant suit :-P</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span style="font-size:
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class="">On 2/9/2021 7:17 AM,
Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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class=""><span style="font-size:
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class="">I don't agree Fernando,
a committee does not usually
have that 'absoluteness' you
mentioned. I can also understand
the remarks 'Findings/Outcome of
the Recall Committee' to mean
that there is a hanging process.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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class=""><span style="font-size:
9pt; font-family: Helvetica;"
class="">Please, the committee's
outcome remains that the
Co-Chairs should be recalled.
There must be a pronouncement
from the board that constituted
the Recall committee. This is
not a market square so we cannot
take the 'shout of a mad man in
the market to mean the
proclamation of the king'. The
king must speak through the
authorised channel, before the
people can accept.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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class=""><span style="font-size:
9pt; font-family: Helvetica;"
class="">Therefore, we wait!</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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class=""><span style="font-size:
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class="">Simply</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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class=""><span style="font-size:
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class="">Daniel</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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class=""><span style="font-size:
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class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Helvetica;"
class="">On 09/02/2021 3:18
am, Badru Ntege wrote:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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type="cite">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US">I
believe this is the correct
understanding of the
outcome. <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US">We now
need to move forward with
the selection of new
co-chairs.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US">The
community is committed to
accept the outcome of the
committee.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US">Lets
move on.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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class="" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US">Regards.
</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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</div>
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><b
class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="">From:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="">Fernando Frediani<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
style="color: blue;
text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br
class="">
<b class="">Date:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday,
9 February 2021 at 01:45<br
class="">
<b class="">To:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"rpd
>> AfriNIC Resource
Policy"<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [rpd] PDWG situation
without co-chairs</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class="">No
Daniel, the output of the
Recall Committee regarding
the Co-Chairs is already
final (read point 19 from
their report) according to
whats the CPM says about it,
so it does not have to be
approved by anyone, not even
the Board itself.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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class="">So currently we
don't have any Co-Chairs.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm
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sans-serif;" class="">What
the Committee has
mentioned in the
document is for the
Board to lead the
election of the new
Co-Chairs and determine
the transition during
this interim.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm
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sans-serif;" class="">That's
it.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm
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class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm
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class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">On Mon, 8 Feb
2021, 19:29 Daniel Yakmut
via RPD, <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
style="color: blue;
text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-style:
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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class="">Here we are
indeed in a strange
situation, which we
created for<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
ourselves. A situation we
were drumming for. I
thought we all had it<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
figured out and that is
why we called for recall
of the Co-chairs.<br
class="">
<br class="">
I am baffled that Jordi is
already making a
suggestion on how to
proceed<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
to get new Co-Chairs. When
the recommendations of the
Recall Committee<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
has not being assented to.
Though, I don't know who
is to approve the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
recommendations of the
committee.<br class="">
<br class="">
Hence, the response of
Jordi is not tenable here,
since I have not seen<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
any declaration that, we
don't have co-chairs. I am
aware that the Alan<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
Barret led committee made
recommendations, which
requires acceptance,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
approval and
implementation.<br
class="">
<br class="">
I am rather seeing a
strange situation in the
haste that is being<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
suggested on how to deal
with the 'situation of no
Co-chairs'.<br class="">
<br class="">
I am currently studying
the documents provided by
the Recall Committee,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
to enable one make an
appropriate comment. But,
at this early stages the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
outcome of the committees
report remains just
recommendations.<br
class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
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> Hi all,<br class="">
><br class="">
> We are in a very
strange situation now.<br
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><br class="">
> We have no co-chairs,
we have no meetings
(because the Covid) so
elections could take
place.<br class="">
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> The Recall Committee
suggested that the section
3.3 of the CPM shall take
effect (if the working
group chair is unable to
serve his or her full term
the WG may select a
replacement to serve the
remainder of the term).<br
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> The Recall Committee
report already suggested
that the PDWG should work
on this and coordinate
with the board.<br
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> Guys, this is our
"problem" as a community.
Remember that the board is
only helping the community
here organizing the
elections.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Is not the board who
choose the candidates and
elects them it is our
tasks. Remember that
without co-chairs, we
can't advance with our
work. Who takes care of
ensuring a profitable
discussion in the list for
any policy proposal (and
we have many in the
table), or even ensuring
that there is not any
abuse or bad behavior
during this period?<br
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> I will like to
propose a few ideas and I
hope that others also do
the same. Remember that
this is transition period:<br
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><br class="">
> 1) Ask the board to
choose among previous
co-chairs that already
have proven experience
(and hopefully they
accept).<br class="">
> 2) Nominate ourselves
those previous co-chairs.<br
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> 3) A combination of
both 1 and 2 above
(example, board nominates
one, the community
another).<br class="">
> 4) Instead of looking
for a temporary
replacement, asking the
board to organize
elections in a maximum of
4-6 weeks, using the same
procedure that was
prepared for the last time
and using the same
electoral census.<br
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> If we want to board
to hear us and take a
decision, we should try to
reach consensus *among us*
without co-chairs. I know
it seems difficult, but
I'm convinced that at
difficult times, this
community will be able to
work together.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Eddy, I will love to
hear also what you have to
say, or if the board
already has worked out
something, etc.<br
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> Thanks in advance!<br
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