<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Personally, I’m the wrong one to ask as I am not concerned about the surge. I look at it this way… If this surge was not legitimate participants, they would likely have unsubscribed by now having seen that they were not going to achieve their goal. If they are still around and have been participating in or reading the list, then I’m not sure how you can say that they are not legitimate members of the community entitled to vote.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As you probably know from my previous posts, I am strongly opposed to disenfranchising anyone where there is any reasonable case to be made that they are a legitimate member of the electorate.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I do think that it would be reasonable to have staff go through some verification process to ensure that there is a unique and identifiable human being behind each and every email address allowed to participate in the election. Beyond that, I’m hard pressed to come up with a reason to disenfranchise anyone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:47 AM, Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" class="">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">The proposed election process may have been workable if we did
not already have contention over an unusual/unexplained surge in
mailing list registrations a couple of moons ago. Setting a cut
off date before that surge then cuts off some real humans that
joined the mailing list after the surge. What to do?</p><p class="">Dewole.<br class="">
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/2021 10:13 AM, Owen DeLong
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:27D343F1-B4BC-454E-A534-BB7086EA6D36@delong.com" class="">
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The co-chair model is by far the more common model among all the
RIRs.
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">However, there is one exception and I will say that
in its region, it has served the community rather well
throughout the history of that RIR.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">It’s also the region where I have the greatest
familiarity, now being in my 14th year of service in that body.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">In our region, we have 15 members and they come from
diverse segments of the community (cloud providers, large ISPs,
small ISPs, individuals, and more).</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Being that I have been involved for so long in that
process at such a deep level, my view may be somewhat biased,
but if the PDWG wishes to pursue a transition towards an
Advisory Council structure instead of just 2 co-chairs, I’m
happy to contribute my knowledge and experience to that process.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">However, this should not be the immediate fix to the
current situation.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The current situation should be resolved in the most
efficient possible way to achieve a fair and open election from
the existing participants in the community.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Lacking co-chairs to lead the process, I think it
should probably fall to the election committee to manage the
election process. I propose that:</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>EC
set a date (in the past) at which time you must have been a
member of the RPD</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>list
in order to vote. This should prevent any room stacking and
allay any fears of room-stacking.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>EC
sets a date (~10-14 days out) when nominations open. Anyone
eligible person wishing to serve may</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>self-nominate
or be nominated by another. EC should collect and validate all
such</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>nominations.
All validated nominees should be placed on a slate. Nominations
should</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>run
for 1 week from the opening date.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Each
candidate should be able to submit a video and written statement
to be posted on the</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AfriNIC
web site at the same time as the slate is announced.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Two
weeks after announcement of the slate, voting should commence
and run for 1 week.</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Each
member should make a ranked-choice vote of 1 or more candidates
to hold the office.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>If
you aren’t familiar with ranked-choice voting, <a href="https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)</a></div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>provides
good detail.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Essentially,
the votes are counted in consecutive rounds, starting with
everyone’s first choice.</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The
candidate receiving the lowest percentage vote in each round is
eliminated and their votes</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>are
transferred to the next choice of each voter who had contributed
to their total votes.</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>In
this case, since we are electing two co-chairs, once the first
candidate reaches a ≥50%</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>majority
in the ranked-choices, they should be selected to serve out the
longer term and</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>the
next-highest ranked candidate should be selected to serve out
the shorter term.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Even this process will take time, but I think we
should have a deliberate process and a proper election</div>
<div class="">for the fairness of all.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Owen</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On Feb 9, 2021, at 00:16 , Dewole Ajao via RPD
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class=""><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">Actually there is no
king in the PDP, fortunately or unfortunately. Hopefully
though, the market will be coordinated as best possible
using the untested rules we have to work with in this
case.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">My take:</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">PDP (section 3.5) says
a co-chair may be recalled (with request and
justification sent to the board of directors);
Logically, the recall process ends in either recall of
the co-chair or continuation of his/her term. That's all
that the conflict resolution section states and as such
we will have to go to another part of the PDP that makes
mention of a truncated co-chair term.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">The applicable section
(i.e. 3.3) says the Working Group may select a
replacement to serve the remainder of the term. Given
the current polarized state of this working group,
perhaps Afrinic staff under the guidance of the CEO and
some advisory from the Board (being the representatives
of resource members) could convene an online meeting in
which the working group properly analyzes the situation
and chooses a path forward?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">Considering our current
fear of room stacking ahead of either face to face and
online polls, it would be interesting to see how we
resolve this one. Is this the birth of a PDWG led by a
small group rather than 2 individuals? A group given a
mandate to somehow tidy up many of the flaws in the
current PDP?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">Regards,</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">Dewole who quickly runs
off to get a flame retardant suit :-P<br class="">
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;">On 2/9/2021 7:17 AM, Daniel
Yakmut via RPD wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:05fe0c92-2a6a-e549-cb49-47c725d76a85@gmail.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans:
auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><p class="">I don't agree Fernando, a committee does not
usually have that 'absoluteness' you mentioned. I can
also understand the remarks 'Findings/Outcome of the
Recall Committee' to mean that there is a hanging
process.</p><p class="">Please, the committee's outcome remains that
the Co-Chairs should be recalled. There must be a
pronouncement from the board that constituted the
Recall committee. This is not a market square so we
cannot take the 'shout of a mad man in the market to
mean the proclamation of the king'. The king must
speak through the authorised channel, before the
people can accept.</p><p class="">Therefore, we wait!</p><p class="">Simply</p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/02/2021 3:18 am,
Badru Ntege wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:41165EF8-C41E-40D5-BE6D-28D1DA530C24@nftconsult.com" class="">
<div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US">I believe this is the
correct understanding of the outcome. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US">We now need to move
forward with the selection of new co-chairs.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US">The community is committed
to accept the outcome of the committee.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US">Lets move on.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="" lang="EN-US">Regards. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="border-style: solid none none;
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Fernando
Frediani<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday,
9 February 2021 at 01:45<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"rpd
>> AfriNIC Resource Policy"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">No
Daniel, the output of the Recall Committee
regarding the Co-Chairs is already final (read
point 19 from their report) according to whats
the CPM says about it, so it does not have to be
approved by anyone, not even the Board itself.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So
currently we don't have any Co-Chairs.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What
the Committee has mentioned in the document
is for the Board to lead the election of the
new Co-Chairs and determine the transition
during this interim.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That's
it.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Fernando<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On
Mon, 8 Feb 2021, 19:29 Daniel Yakmut via RPD,
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-style: none none none
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Here
we are indeed in a strange situation, which we
created for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I
thought we all had it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
figured out and that is why we called for
recall of the Co-chairs.<br class="">
<br class="">
I am baffled that Jordi is already making a
suggestion on how to proceed<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations
of the Recall Committee<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
has not being assented to. Though, I don't
know who is to approve the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
recommendations of the committee.<br class="">
<br class="">
Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable
here, since I have not seen<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs.
I am aware that the Alan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
Barret led committee made recommendations,
which requires acceptance,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
approval and implementation.<br class="">
<br class="">
I am rather seeing a strange situation in the
haste that is being<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
suggested on how to deal with the 'situation
of no Co-chairs'.<br class="">
<br class="">
I am currently studying the documents provided
by the Recall Committee,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
to enable one make an appropriate comment.
But, at this early stages the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
outcome of the committees report remains just
recommendations.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Simply,<br class="">
<br class="">
Daniel<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
via RPD wrote:<br class="">
> Hi all,<br class="">
><br class="">
> We are in a very strange situation now.<br class="">
><br class="">
> We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings
(because the Covid) so elections could take
place.<br class="">
><br class="">
> The Recall Committee suggested that the
section 3.3 of the CPM shall take effect (if
the working group chair is unable to serve his
or her full term the WG may select a
replacement to serve the remainder of the
term).<br class="">
><br class="">
> The Recall Committee report already
suggested that the PDWG should work on this
and coordinate with the board.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Guys, this is our "problem" as a
community. Remember that the board is only
helping the community here organizing the
elections.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Is not the board who choose the
candidates and elects them it is our tasks.
Remember that without co-chairs, we can't
advance with our work. Who takes care of
ensuring a profitable discussion in the list
for any policy proposal (and we have many in
the table), or even ensuring that there is not
any abuse or bad behavior during this period?<br class="">
><br class="">
> I will like to propose a few ideas and I
hope that others also do the same. Remember
that this is transition period:<br class="">
><br class="">
> 1) Ask the board to choose among previous
co-chairs that already have proven experience
(and hopefully they accept).<br class="">
> 2) Nominate ourselves those previous
co-chairs.<br class="">
> 3) A combination of both 1 and 2 above
(example, board nominates one, the community
another).<br class="">
> 4) Instead of looking for a temporary
replacement, asking the board to organize
elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using the
same procedure that was prepared for the last
time and using the same electoral census.<br class="">
><br class="">
> If we want to board to hear us and take a
decision, we should try to reach consensus
*among us* without co-chairs. I know it seems
difficult, but I'm convinced that at difficult
times, this community will be able to work
together.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Eddy, I will love to hear also what you
have to say, or if the board already has
worked out something, etc.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks in advance!<br class="">
><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
> Regards,<br class="">
> Jordi<br class="">
> @jordipalet<br class="">
> <br class="">
> <br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
>
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