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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sorry, I mean the choices, not objections! I just send that email.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So it should read:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>“</span><span style='font-size:14.5pt;color:black'>In order to do that, I’m going to send the choices in a new email and provide some instructions, because we need those with objections to explain the rationale for them and also those that support “more” some options than others, to explain why.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 11/2/21 9:33, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Daniel (also responding to Sarah and others),</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My reading of the message from Alan, is that the RC recommendation for the way forward is just a suggestion, not binding.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>See his message:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012251.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012251.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If you look to my suggested options, this is what I’m suggesting.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yes, we have 4 days (not including weekend, as some folks may not follow the list then):</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thursday</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Friday</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Monday</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Tuesday</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>By the end of the day (Tuesday 16<sup>th</sup>) we should have reached consensus if we want to board to be able to follow our request.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>4 days seems a lot of time, but is not. Look the very few people that had contributed in 4 days to this discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Because this is consensus, not voting, I’m going to suggest that anyone that has *<b>objections</b>* where he can’t concede, to any of the choices that we have, say it today-tomorrow, so we still have a couple of days to decide which one has less objections.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In order to do that, I’m going to send the objections in a new email and provide some instructions, because we need those with objections to explain the rationale for them and also those that support “more” some options than others, to explain why.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This way we can make a summary of pros and cons of each alternative.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If any volunteer is neutral (he/she don’t have any preference and will accept any choice) and wants so stay silent, and then be the one deciding which one has “more” consensus, please say so.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>May be the Recall Committee (or one of the members) volunteers to take that role?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alternatively, if the PDWG agree, I’m happy knowing that I’ve no preference and will accept any choice, to stay silent from now on, and then offer a summary on Tuesday, acting as a kind of secretary, on Tuesday of all the pros and cons.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>El 11/2/21 8:52, "Murungi Daniel" <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Dear Yakmut,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>We shall definitely reach consensus. Color me naive but I do not buy into your premise that the community is as sharply divided as you perceive. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>@Jordi, whereas your speed and desire to strike the iron while it’s still hot are admirable, we should all take some time ( 2 - 4 days) to digest the report from the Recall Committee. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>As @Kiden pointed out, the RC report has some recommendations and there are a number of suggestions that have been put forth by the community. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>AFRINIC and the RPD are not going to burn down simply because the community quietly takes a couple of days to reflect on recent events and their impact going forward.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Murungi Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On Feb 11, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>How can we possibly reach consensus, when the community is sharply divided between winners and losers.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>There is bitterness around and shock around the action of the RC. Maybe when we get over the situation. However, delay is imminent.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Daniel<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:04 AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>The board has asked us to make a recommendation to them. Ideally, if possible, we should try to achieve consensus around a recommendation in time for their next meeting to avoid further delays as noted by the board.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:04 , Sarah Kiden <<a href="mailto:skiden@gmail.com" target="_blank">skiden@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Hi Jordi, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>I would suggest that we wait for the outcome of the Board meeting and then take it from there. I believe some recommendations were made in the report from the Recall Committee, which I believe will be a good starting place. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#351C75'>Sarah</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 5:51 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>So ... PDWG colleagues. We need to move.<br><br>We need to answer questions and tell the board:<br><br>1. We want to halt everything until we have elections:<br> 1.1 On-line elections in a few weeks with the previous electoral census?<br> 1.2 On-site elections, we don't know when?<br><br>2. We want the board to choose 2 transition chairs?<br><br>3. We want to nominate ourselves a few names for transition chairs and let the board to decide, once they confirm their willingness to take the job ?<br><br>I don't think other choices are feasible in one week from now ... for example, deciding among us by email the 2 cochairs and not enter in an endless discussion.<br><br>(note that the order is arbitrary, I'm not suggesting anything in the list above, I'm happy with any choice IF we are able to reach consensus ourselves by next week)<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br>El 10/2/21 18:18, "<a href="mailto:chair@afrinic.net" target="_blank">chair@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:chair@afrinic.net" target="_blank">chair@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<br><br> Dear Policy Development Working Group,<br><br> The AFRINIC Board of Directors would like to thank the Recall <br> Committee for its report. 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