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1. Re: WE NEED YOUR INPUT, MAXIMUM BY TUESDAY 16TH NOON:<br>
Decision of way forward for new (transition or elected) co-chairs<br>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:31:21 +0100<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] WE NEED YOUR INPUT, MAXIMUM BY TUESDAY 16TH NOON:<br>
Decision of way forward for new (transition or elected) co-chairs<br>
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Hi Anthony,<br>
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Once more, to make it very clear: I don?t want to provide my personal view point/choice at this stage. I want to be as neutral as possible until the board takes a decision. I?m happy to explain my position afterwards, even if it is different than the consensus that we could have reached.<br>
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However, I think we need to clarify that even if we have elections now for both co-chairs, because they are staggered according to the PDP, it means that only one of the co-chairs will remain after we have a new meeting and ?regular? elections. So, somehow, option 1 set ?1 co-chair (for 2 years) and another co-chair for a shorter ?transition? (1 year)?.<br>
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And even if nobody has the response, probably it could happen about the same time as all the world has the vaccination and we restore regular traveling and face-to-face meetings. So, option 2 means we may need to wait without any PDP progress another complete year. But there is a lot of uncertainty about the exact timing when this will be possible.<br>
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El 11/2/21 19:03, "Anthony Ubah" <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Hello Jordi,<br>
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I believe choices 1 and 2 are pretty much the same and are the most reasonable ones to me. By opting for the electoral process, we will settle this matter once and for all, instead of having to transition to other co-chairs after a short duration of time (3 and 4), and then having to go through the trouble of new elections again. I am sure the community will be able to elect the best people fit for the job of co-chairs, as soon as we can have the next elections.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
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UBAH ANTHONY <br>
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:45 AM <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
To: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: [rpd] WE NEED YOUR INPUT, MAXIMUM BY TUESDAY 16TH NOON: Decision of way forward for new (transition or elected) co-chairs<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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Following the previous email, we have 4 choices for selecting the new co-chairs:<br>
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1. Halt everything regarding PDP decisions, until the board can organize on-line elections in a few weeks (with the previous electoral census).<br>
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2. Halt everything regarding PDP decisions, until the board can organize an in-person meeting and then we can have on-site elections (we don't know when we will have a new in-person meeting).<br>
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3. Ask the board to choose 2 transition co-chairs, so we can have elections in the future (option 2 above).<br>
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4. Nominate ourselves a few names for transition co-chairs and let the board to decide among them, once they confirm their willingness to take the job, so we can have elections in the future (option 2 above).<br>
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Note that each person supporting/objecting one or serveral choices, should briefly detail what are the pros and cons that he/she understands need to be considered. Note that this is a consensus base decision, not a voting, and the objections should be as less subjective as possible and looking for the good of the overall community, not personal or business interests.<br>
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If you think that option 3 or 4 are the right ones, this is not the time to set any conditions or nominate people. Will need to define specific time frame after the decision is taken. Otherwise, may not be able to reach consensus quickly.<br>
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REMARK: We need to tell the board our decision, by consensus by next Tuesday (16th February), so only comments received up to Tuesday noon could be considered in the final summary.<br>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:47:21 +0100<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
To: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Report from Recall Committee<br>
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Sorry, I mean the choices, not objections! I just send that email.<br>
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So it should read:<br>
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?In order to do that, I?m going to send the choices in a new email and provide some instructions, because we need those with objections to explain the rationale for them and also those that support ?more? some options than others, to explain why.?<br>
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El 11/2/21 9:33, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Hi Daniel (also responding to Sarah and others),<br>
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My reading of the message from Alan, is that the RC recommendation for the way forward is just a suggestion, not binding.<br>
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See his message:<br>
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<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012251.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012251.html</a><br>
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If you look to my suggested options, this is what I?m suggesting.<br>
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Yes, we have 4 days (not including weekend, as some folks may not follow the list then):<br>
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Thursday<br>
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Friday<br>
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Monday<br>
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Tuesday<br>
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By the end of the day (Tuesday 16th) we should have reached consensus if we want to board to be able to follow our request.<br>
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4 days seems a lot of time, but is not. Look the very few people that had contributed in 4 days to this discussion.<br>
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Because this is consensus, not voting, I?m going to suggest that anyone that has *objections* where he can?t concede, to any of the choices that we have, say it today-tomorrow, so we still have a couple of days to decide which one has less objections.<br>
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In order to do that, I?m going to send the objections in a new email and provide some instructions, because we need those with objections to explain the rationale for them and also those that support ?more? some options than others, to explain why.<br>
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This way we can make a summary of pros and cons of each alternative.<br>
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If any volunteer is neutral (he/she don?t have any preference and will accept any choice) and wants so stay silent, and then be the one deciding which one has ?more? consensus, please say so.<br>
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May be the Recall Committee (or one of the members) volunteers to take that role?<br>
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Alternatively, if the PDWG agree, I?m happy knowing that I?ve no preference and will accept any choice, to stay silent from now on, and then offer a summary on Tuesday, acting as a kind of secretary, on Tuesday of all the pros and cons.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Jordi<br>
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@jordipalet<br>
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El 11/2/21 8:52, "Murungi Daniel" <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Dear Yakmut,<br>
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We shall definitely reach consensus. Color me naive but I do not buy into your premise that the community is as sharply divided as you perceive. <br>
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@Jordi, whereas your speed and desire to strike the iron while it?s still hot are admirable, we should all take some time ( 2 - 4 days) to digest the report from the Recall Committee. <br>
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As @Kiden pointed out, the RC report has some recommendations and there are a number of suggestions that have been put forth by the community. <br>
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AFRINIC and the RPD are not going to burn down simply because the community quietly takes a couple of days to reflect on recent events and their impact going forward.<br>
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On Feb 11, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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How can we possibly reach consensus, when the community is sharply divided between winners and losers.<br>
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There is bitterness around and shock around the action of the RC. Maybe when we get over the situation. However, delay is imminent.<br>
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Daniel<br>
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:04 AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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The board has asked us to make a recommendation to them. Ideally, if possible, we should try to achieve consensus around a recommendation in time for their next meeting to avoid further delays as noted by the board.<br>
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On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:04 , Sarah Kiden <<a href="mailto:skiden@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">skiden@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Jordi, <br>
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I would suggest that we wait for the outcome of the Board meeting and then take it from there. I believe some recommendations were made in the report from the Recall Committee, which I believe will be a good starting place. <br>
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Regards,<br>
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Sarah<br>
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 5:51 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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So ... PDWG colleagues. We need to move.<br>
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We need to answer questions and tell the board:<br>
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1. We want to halt everything until we have elections:<br>
1.1 On-line elections in a few weeks with the previous electoral census?<br>
1.2 On-site elections, we don't know when?<br>
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2. We want the board to choose 2 transition chairs?<br>
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3. We want to nominate ourselves a few names for transition chairs and let the board to decide, once they confirm their willingness to take the job ?<br>
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I don't think other choices are feasible in one week from now ... for example, deciding among us by email the 2 cochairs and not enter in an endless discussion.<br>
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(note that the order is arbitrary, I'm not suggesting anything in the list above, I'm happy with any choice IF we are able to reach consensus ourselves by next week)<br>
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Jordi<br>
@jordipalet<br>
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?El 10/2/21 18:18, "<a href="mailto:chair@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chair@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:chair@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chair@afrinic.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Dear Policy Development Working Group,<br>
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The AFRINIC Board of Directors would like to thank the Recall <br>
Committee for its report. The Board has taken note of the findings <br>
and decision of the Recall Committee to recall the two Policy <br>
Development Working Group co-Chairs with immediate effect.<br>
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It is unlikely that the Policy Development Process can function in <br>
the absence of a Working Group Chair. The Board would like to <br>
encourage the Policy Development Working Group to find a way forward.<br>
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The Board is scheduled to meet on Wednesday 17 February to discuss the matter.<br>
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Regards,<br>
S. Moonesamy<br>
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