<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 11 févr. 2021 à 12:20, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 11, 2021, at 02:16 , Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>
<div><p>I'll go with what Mike has said, that is - Option 1. I think a
directive from the CEO & Chair is all that is needed and
doesn't really need to wait a week for a full Board Meeting. It is
on the shoulders of this community to fix the problem.<br>
</p><p>I think we should only allow the same people that were eligible
to vote last time - which would save time. I presume that list
still exists.<br>
</p><p>I'd like to see at least four people standing. I don't believe
that the two ex-chairs should be allowed to stand (we are trying
to change a bad situation). Personally, I'd like to see people
standing that are resource owners - as they then have their own
skin in the game - as such. No one with a policy in the current
process chain should stand.<br></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don’t think that they should be precluded from standing. While the recall was successful and I think that they are unlikely to receive a plurality of votes as a result, if the community votes to put them back into office, I see no reason that the community should be deprived of that option.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>t'es pas sérieux là, Owen, tu veux dire que tout le travail que le RC a fait serait inutile et que les même qu'ils viennent de démètre peuvent être encore autorisés à compétir ? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><p>
</p><p>Most votes - person stands for remainder of two years,<br>
second most votes - stands for remainder of this current year.<br>
</p><p>As Arnaud AMELINA <a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank"><amelnaud@gmail.com></a> said on 24th Dec:</p>
<div dir="auto">> Is it normal that out of 2 cochairs, none is
contact of a resource member?</div>
<div dir="auto">> Having a cochair who runs network and serves as
contact (technical) of a resource member is a big wish as
previously discussed in this community.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don’t think it would be unreasonable to add this as an eligibility requirement through modification of the relevant PDP sections, but I don’t think we should be making it up on the fly without community discussion. There is a process for amending the eligibility requirements and we should follow it if we wish to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div dir="auto">!<br>
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<div>On 2/11/21 11:45 AM, Mike Silber wrote:<br>
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Jaco +1<br>
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<div>Really humbling that a WG member from outside our
region is the one trying to drive to consensus.</div>
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<div>Some comments inline.</div>
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<div>On 11 Feb 2021, at 11:28, Jaco Kroon <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" target="_blank">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Hi Jordi,</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Thank you for your drive on this.</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">On 2021/02/11 10:45, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
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Following the previous email, we have 4 choices for
selecting the new co-chairs:<br>
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1. Halt everything regarding PDP decisions, until the
board can organize on-line elections in a few weeks
(with the previous electoral census).<br>
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Agree with 1.<br>
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<div><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Pros for (1) / Cons against (2):</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"> - quicker turn around for (1)</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"> - we don't know when feasible
we would be able to arrange for (2)</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Cons against (1) / Pros for (2)</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"> - Easier to generate bogus
votes for (1).</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
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Agreed</div>
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3. Ask the board to choose 2 transition co-chairs, so we
can have elections in the future (option 2 above).<br>
4. Nominate ourselves a few names for transition
co-chairs and let the board to decide among them, once
they confirm their willingness to take the job, so we
can have elections in the future (option 2 above).<br>
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<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Personally I don't really think
that (3) and (4) are two distinct</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">options, more like we should try
to get recommendations / nominees to</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">the board as per 4, and then give
the board prerogative to select the</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">candidates (even from non-nominees
if none of the nominees have the</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">required background / skills /
suitability, obviously with motivations).</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
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Agreed. I like the option of 4 + 3 if we can get some rough
consensus on this list of some nominees. Particularly if (1)
takes some time.</div>
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