<div dir="ltr">Je pense que c'est l'idée du vote même que nous rejetons surtout s'il faut utiliser Cette Liste de discussion complètement compromise par des identités fictives. Je soutiens ce que Marcus a dit. Donc vraiment il faut que la communauté liste les pré-requis pour occuper de telles positions, car place des gens qui n'ont pas l'expérience donne les résultats qu'on a observé avec les co-présidents déchus de leur fonctions. S'ils étaient bon et qu'ils avaient suivi les principes de fonctionnement de cette communauté ils n'auraient pas été déchus, car certains membres du Groupe qui a travaillé dans le RC, ce n'est pas toi qui me dira le contraire sont des personnes assez expérimentées, reconnues comme compétentes sur tous plusieurs plans et qui ont servi cette communauté. <div><br></div><div>Donc Cette communauté qui a réclamée leur déchéance n'est pas dupe donc arrêtes de nous distraire Owen, en défendant l'indéfendable et permet à cette communauté d'avancer sur la meilleur solution qui nous évitera de commettre les mêmes erreurs qu'avant. </div><div><br></div><div>Cordialement. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 11 févr. 2021 à 14:02, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">I am absolutely serious.<div><br></div><div>All the work the recall committee has done has been to remove them from office. That’s been accomplished.</div><div><br></div><div>However, neither that recall committee, nor those who called for the recall, even if combined constitute a majority of the community.</div><div><br></div><div>The community should have the right to decide the co-chairs. I think it unlikely they would run in the first place, but even if they do,</div><div>I think it extremely unlikely they would get a significant fraction of the vote under the circumstances.</div><div><br></div><div>However, that is neither my, nor your decision to make on behalf of the community. Let the voters vote. Do you really think that</div><div>it is so dangerous if the voters have this choice available to them that you are unwilling to trust the electorate?</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 11, 2021, at 05:08 , Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 11 févr. 2021 à 12:20, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 11, 2021, at 02:16 , Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>
<div><p>I'll go with what Mike has said, that is - Option 1. I think a
directive from the CEO & Chair is all that is needed and
doesn't really need to wait a week for a full Board Meeting. It is
on the shoulders of this community to fix the problem.<br>
</p><p>I think we should only allow the same people that were eligible
to vote last time - which would save time. I presume that list
still exists.<br>
</p><p>I'd like to see at least four people standing. I don't believe
that the two ex-chairs should be allowed to stand (we are trying
to change a bad situation). Personally, I'd like to see people
standing that are resource owners - as they then have their own
skin in the game - as such. No one with a policy in the current
process chain should stand.<br></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don’t think that they should be precluded from standing. While the recall was successful and I think that they are unlikely to receive a plurality of votes as a result, if the community votes to put them back into office, I see no reason that the community should be deprived of that option.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>t'es pas sérieux là, Owen, tu veux dire que tout le travail que le RC a fait serait inutile et que les même qu'ils viennent de démètre peuvent être encore autorisés à compétir ? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div>
<br></div><p>Most votes - person stands for remainder of two years,<br>
second most votes - stands for remainder of this current year.<br>
</p><p>As Arnaud AMELINA <a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank"><amelnaud@gmail.com></a> said on 24th Dec:</p>
<div dir="auto">> Is it normal that out of 2 cochairs, none is
contact of a resource member?</div>
<div dir="auto">> Having a cochair who runs network and serves as
contact (technical) of a resource member is a big wish as
previously discussed in this community.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don’t think it would be unreasonable to add this as an eligibility requirement through modification of the relevant PDP sections, but I don’t think we should be making it up on the fly without community discussion. There is a process for amending the eligibility requirements and we should follow it if we wish to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div dir="auto">!<br>
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<div>On 2/11/21 11:45 AM, Mike Silber wrote:<br>
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Jaco +1<br>
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<div>Really humbling that a WG member from outside our
region is the one trying to drive to consensus.</div>
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<div>Some comments inline.</div>
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<div>On 11 Feb 2021, at 11:28, Jaco Kroon <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" target="_blank">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Hi Jordi,</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Thank you for your drive on this.</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">On 2021/02/11 10:45, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Hi all,<br>
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Following the previous email, we have 4 choices for
selecting the new co-chairs:<br>
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1. Halt everything regarding PDP decisions, until the
board can organize on-line elections in a few weeks
(with the previous electoral census).<br>
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Agree with 1.<br>
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<div><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Pros for (1) / Cons against (2):</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"> - quicker turn around for (1)</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"> - we don't know when feasible
we would be able to arrange for (2)</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Cons against (1) / Pros for (2)</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"> - Easier to generate bogus
votes for (1).</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
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Agreed</div>
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3. Ask the board to choose 2 transition co-chairs, so we
can have elections in the future (option 2 above).<br>
4. Nominate ourselves a few names for transition
co-chairs and let the board to decide among them, once
they confirm their willingness to take the job, so we
can have elections in the future (option 2 above).<br>
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<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Personally I don't really think
that (3) and (4) are two distinct</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">options, more like we should try
to get recommendations / nominees to</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">the board as per 4, and then give
the board prerogative to select the</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">candidates (even from non-nominees
if none of the nominees have the</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">required background / skills /
suitability, obviously with motivations).</span><br style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
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Agreed. I like the option of 4 + 3 if we can get some rough
consensus on this list of some nominees. Particularly if (1)
takes some time.</div>
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