<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 11, 2021, at 02:16 , Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" class="">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">I'll go with what Mike has said, that is - Option 1. I think a
directive from the CEO & Chair is all that is needed and
doesn't really need to wait a week for a full Board Meeting. It is
on the shoulders of this community to fix the problem.<br class="">
</p><p class="">I think we should only allow the same people that were eligible
to vote last time - which would save time. I presume that list
still exists.<br class="">
</p><p class="">I'd like to see at least four people standing. I don't believe
that the two ex-chairs should be allowed to stand (we are trying
to change a bad situation). Personally, I'd like to see people
standing that are resource owners - as they then have their own
skin in the game - as such. No one with a policy in the current
process chain should stand.<br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t think that they should be precluded from standing. While the recall was successful and I think that they are unlikely to receive a plurality of votes as a result, if the community votes to put them back into office, I see no reason that the community should be deprived of that option.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">
</p><p class="">Most votes - person stands for remainder of two years,<br class="">
second most votes - stands for remainder of this current year.<br class="">
</p><p class="">As Arnaud AMELINA <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com"><amelnaud@gmail.com></a> said on 24th Dec:</p>
<div dir="auto" class="">> Is it normal that out of 2 cochairs, none is
contact of a resource member?</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">> Having a cochair who runs network and serves as
contact (technical) of a resource member is a big wish as
previously discussed in this community.</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t think it would be unreasonable to add this as an eligibility requirement through modification of the relevant PDP sections, but I don’t think we should be making it up on the fly without community discussion. There is a process for amending the eligibility requirements and we should follow it if we wish to do so.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">!<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/11/21 11:45 AM, Mike Silber wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">Some comments inline.</div>
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<div class="">On 11 Feb 2021, at 11:28, Jaco Kroon <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> wrote:</div>
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!important;" class="">Thank you for your drive on this.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT;
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MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:</span><br style="caret-color:
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Following the previous email, we have 4 choices for
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1. Halt everything regarding PDP decisions, until the
board can organize on-line elections in a few weeks
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Agree with 1.<br class="">
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3. Ask the board to choose 2 transition co-chairs, so we
can have elections in the future (option 2 above).<br class="">
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co-chairs and let the board to decide among them, once
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to get recommendations / nominees to</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT;
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if none of the nominees have the</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT;
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Agreed. I like the option of 4 + 3 if we can get some rough
consensus on this list of some nominees. Particularly if (1)
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