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<p>Plain text or sight becomes blurry and subjective, when it comes
to real practice and interpretations. Humans are not plain.</p>
<p>When these lines where drafted, it was see as plain and clear.
However, now that invoking the clause has arisen, it will
definitely not be that simple again. My take therefore is we all
went overboard, thinking the matter was plain and straight
forward.</p>
<p>My comments are simply to jab us and make us aware that it is not
that plain.</p>
<p>Simply</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/02/2021 10:43 am, Dewole Ajao
wrote:<br>
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<p>Boss, it's the process - and it's been written that way for
years in plain sight. <br>
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<li style="box-sizing: border-box;">Anyone may request the
recall of a Working Group Chair at any time, upon written
request with justification to the AFRINIC Board of Directors.
The request must be supported by at least five (5) other
persons from the Working Group. <b>The AFRINIC Board of
Directors shall appoint a recall committee</b>, excluding
the persons requesting the recall and the Working Group
Chairs. <b>The recall committee shall investigate</b> the
circumstances of the justification for the recall <b>and
determine the outcome.</b></li>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The <b>emphasis </b>in there is
mine. It might be beneficial to the working group if you or any
others could offer alternative interpretations of those
sentences so we can look at them together now rather than waste
energy litigating (Assuming it becomes clear who will be suing
who :-P). I believe the process to appeal the contents of the
PDP is proposing new policy text and convincing the group that
the text should be changed.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Regards,</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dewole.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/2021 10:18 AM, Daniel Yakmut
via RPD wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">This interpretation is subjective, and it is
totally wrong and draconian for the committee to have the
powers of investigation, judgement and execution.
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<div dir="auto">If truly the Recall committee is this powerful
then the process will have be appealed and it is a subject
of litigation.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Simply,</div>
<div dir="auto">Daniel</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 10:05 AM Alan Barrett <<a
href="mailto:apb.goo@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">apb.goo@gmail.com</a>>
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 00:51, Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> No Daniel, the output of the Recall Committee regarding
the<br>
> Co-Chairs is already final (read point 19 from their
report)<br>
> according to whats the CPM says about it, so it does
not<br>
> have to be approved by anyone, not even the Board
itself.<br>
><br>
> So currently we don't have any Co-Chairs.<br>
<br>
Yes, as far as I understand, the Recall Committee's decision
is final.<br>
Article 3.5(3) of the CPM gives the Recall Committee the
power to<br>
"determine the outcome", not merely to suggest or report to
some other<br>
party. The Board also stated "The Recall Committee will
report the<br>
outcome to the Policy Development Working Group. The
decision of the<br>
Recall Committee is final." (That is in a document from the
Board<br>
that might not have been published, but is referenced from
page 3 of<br>
the Recall Committee's Working Procedure document.)<br>
<br>
The Recall Committee gave their decision in paragraph 19 of
the "Final<br>
Determination" document: "19. The Committee therefore
determines that<br>
a recall of both the co-Chairs is justifiable in the
circumstances,<br>
and that both the co-Chairs be recalled with immediate
effect.".<br>
<br>
> What the Committee has mentioned in the document is for
the<br>
> Board to lead the election of the new Co-Chairs and
determine<br>
> the transition during this interim.<br>
<br>
Yes, the last sentence of paragraph 20 of the Recall
Committee's<br>
report is a suggestion; it is not binding: "The Committee
suggests<br>
that the Board coordinate with the PDWG to find an adequate
transition<br>
mechanism until the next election."<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Alan Barrett<br>
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