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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>To be honest, I don’t think it is possible to “share” the workload, so more people doesn’t resolve the problem, because each of the co-chairs, should follow all the discussion. This is part of the consensus definition and I consequently disagree that “more than 2” in this case is a benefit. Because that also means that experienced people will NOT participate in the discussions, so it is a trade-off not acceptable in my perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We have also the problem, with your list, that some of them may be in Committees (example AC), or involved in policy proposals under discussion and if we want them to be really neutral, it should be people that *<b>hasn’t participated in those proposals</b>* discussions. Someone could think “let’s get opt to withdraw from those policy proposals …. Come on!, they have already worked in them, and as humans, it is not 100% safe to believe that they will be objective” (even if some of the names can be good for my own proposal case, because they supported them one way or another – I’m trying to be honest and transparent here).<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 9/2/21 12:51, "Dewole Ajao" <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Errrm, thanks for the vote of confidence, Jordi but I don't think I have enough bandwidth at this time. Maybe a larger steering group with more past co-chairs so that the workload isn't so much on any one person? Yes, we absolutely should salute the co-chairs even when there are errors in judgement. It's not an easy role.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Removing former CEOs and current board members, the ex co-chair pool (according to <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group</a> ) looks like this:<br>Vincent Ngundi <br>Hytham El Nakhal <br>Paulos Nyirenda <br>Tim McGinnis <br>Emile Milandou <br>Adam Nelson <br>Barry Macharia <br>Sami Salih <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Alain Aina seems to be a reasonable addition given that he has contributed and continues to contribute actively to policy development. We could also call for volunteers.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This is an interesting situation indeed because at the end of all this "speculation", someone has to decide on what next (and regardless of whom it is, someone is going to disagree regarding their standing... Example "board must not interfere with PDP", "legal counsel is not legal counsel to the PDWG", etc). Time for us all to be grown up, it would appear.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dewole.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 2/9/2021 12:05 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is why I suggested:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>> 4) Instead of looking for a temporary replacement, asking the board to organize elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using the same procedure that was prepared for the last time and using the same electoral census.<br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I still believe that it will be good a transition period with previous chairs that have *<b>real and proven experience</b>*.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>For example, Dewole and Alan, would you accept to be nominated for that transition period (6-12 months I’m guessing)?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>El 9/2/21 10:54, "Dewole Ajao via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>The proposed election process may have been workable if we did not already have contention over an unusual/unexplained surge in mailing list registrations a couple of moons ago. Setting a cut off date before that surge then cuts off some real humans that joined the mailing list after the surge. What to do?<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Dewole.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On 2/9/2021 10:13 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>The co-chair model is by far the more common model among all the RIRs. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>However, there is one exception and I will say that in its region, it has served the community rather well throughout the history of that RIR.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>It’s also the region where I have the greatest familiarity, now being in my 14th year of service in that body.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>In our region, we have 15 members and they come from diverse segments of the community (cloud providers, large ISPs, small ISPs, individuals, and more).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Being that I have been involved for so long in that process at such a deep level, my view may be somewhat biased, but if the PDWG wishes to pursue a transition towards an Advisory Council structure instead of just 2 co-chairs, I’m happy to contribute my knowledge and experience to that process.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>However, this should not be the immediate fix to the current situation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>The current situation should be resolved in the most efficient possible way to achieve a fair and open election from the existing participants in the community.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Lacking co-chairs to lead the process, I think it should probably fall to the election committee to manage the election process. I propose that:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>1.<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>EC set a date (in the past) at which time you must have been a member of the RPD<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>list in order to vote. This should prevent any room stacking and allay any fears of room-stacking.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>2.<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>EC sets a date (~10-14 days out) when nominations open. Anyone eligible person wishing to serve may<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>self-nominate or be nominated by another. EC should collect and validate all such<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>nominations. All validated nominees should be placed on a slate. Nominations should<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>run for 1 week from the opening date.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>3.<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Each candidate should be able to submit a video and written statement to be posted on the<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>AfriNIC web site at the same time as the slate is announced.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>4.<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Two weeks after announcement of the slate, voting should commence and run for 1 week.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Each member should make a ranked-choice vote of 1 or more candidates to hold the office.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>If you aren’t familiar with ranked-choice voting, <a href="https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)">https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>provides good detail.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Essentially, the votes are counted in consecutive rounds, starting with everyone’s first choice.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>The candidate receiving the lowest percentage vote in each round is eliminated and their votes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>are transferred to the next choice of each voter who had contributed to their total votes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>In this case, since we are electing two co-chairs, once the first candidate reaches a ≥50%<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>majority in the ranked-choices, they should be selected to serve out the longer term and<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>the next-highest ranked candidate should be selected to serve out the shorter term.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Even this process will take time, but I think we should have a deliberate process and a proper election<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>for the fairness of all.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On Feb 9, 2021, at 00:16 , Dewole Ajao via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;caret-color:
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0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Actually there is no king in the PDP, fortunately or unfortunately. Hopefully though, the market will be coordinated as best possible using the untested rules we have to work with in this case.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;caret-color:
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0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>My take:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;caret-color:
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0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>PDP (section 3.5) says a co-chair may be recalled (with request and justification sent to the board of directors); Logically, the recall process ends in either recall of the co-chair or continuation of his/her term. That's all that the conflict resolution section states and as such we will have to go to another part of the PDP that makes mention of a truncated co-chair term.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;caret-color:
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0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>The applicable section (i.e. 3.3) says the Working Group may select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term. Given the current polarized state of this working group, perhaps Afrinic staff under the guidance of the CEO and some advisory from the Board (being the representatives of resource members) could convene an online meeting in which the working group properly analyzes the situation and chooses a path forward?<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;caret-color:
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0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Considering our current fear of room stacking ahead of either face to face and online polls, it would be interesting to see how we resolve this one. Is this the birth of a PDWG led by a small group rather than 2 individuals? A group given a mandate to somehow tidy up many of the flaws in the current PDP?<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;caret-color:
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0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;caret-color:
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0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Dewole who quickly runs off to get a flame retardant suit :-P</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>On 2/9/2021 7:17 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps:
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0px;word-spacing:0px'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I don't agree Fernando, a committee does not usually have that 'absoluteness' you mentioned. I can also understand the remarks 'Findings/Outcome of the Recall Committee' to mean that there is a hanging process.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Please, the committee's outcome remains that the Co-Chairs should be recalled. There must be a pronouncement from the board that constituted the Recall committee. This is not a market square so we cannot take the 'shout of a mad man in the market to mean the proclamation of the king'. The king must speak through the authorised channel, before the people can accept.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Therefore, we wait!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Simply</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>On 09/02/2021 3:18 am, Badru Ntege wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>I believe this is the correct understanding of the outcome. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>We now need to move forward with the selection of new co-chairs.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>The community is committed to accept the outcome of the committee.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>Lets move on.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>Regards. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Fernando Frediani<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br><b>Date:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 01:45<br><b>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>"rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy"<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br><b>Subject:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Re: [rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>No Daniel, the output of the Recall Committee regarding the Co-Chairs is already final (read point 19 from their report) according to whats the CPM says about it, so it does not have to be approved by anyone, not even the Board itself.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>So currently we don't have any Co-Chairs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>What the Committee has mentioned in the document is for the Board to lead the election of the new Co-Chairs and determine the transition during this interim.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>That's it.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On Mon, 8 Feb 2021, 19:29 Daniel Yakmut via RPD, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Here we are indeed in a strange situation, which we created for<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I thought we all had it<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>figured out and that is why we called for recall of the Co-chairs.<br><br>I am baffled that Jordi is already making a suggestion on how to proceed<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations of the Recall Committee<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>has not being assented to. Though, I don't know who is to approve the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>recommendations of the committee.<br><br>Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable here, since I have not seen<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs. I am aware that the Alan<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>Barret led committee made recommendations, which requires acceptance,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>approval and implementation.<br><br>I am rather seeing a strange situation in the haste that is being<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>suggested on how to deal with the 'situation of no Co-chairs'.<br><br>I am currently studying the documents provided by the Recall Committee,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>to enable one make an appropriate comment. But, at this early stages the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>outcome of the committees report remains just recommendations.<br><br><br>Simply,<br><br>Daniel<br><br><br><br>On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>> Hi all,<br>><br>> We are in a very strange situation now.<br>><br>> We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings (because the Covid) so elections could take place.<br>><br>> The Recall Committee suggested that the section 3.3 of the CPM shall take effect (if the working group chair is unable to serve his or her full term the WG may select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term).<br>><br>> The Recall Committee report already suggested that the PDWG should work on this and coordinate with the board.<br>><br>> Guys, this is our "problem" as a community. Remember that the board is only helping the community here organizing the elections.<br>><br>> Is not the board who choose the candidates and elects them it is our tasks. 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