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    <p>Actually there is no king in the PDP, fortunately or
      unfortunately. Hopefully though, the market will be coordinated as
      best possible using the untested rules we have to work with in
      this case. <br>
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    <p>My take:</p>
    <p>PDP (section 3.5) says a co-chair may be recalled (with request
      and justification sent to the board of directors); Logically, the
      recall process ends in either recall of the co-chair or
      continuation of his/her term. That's all that the conflict
      resolution section states and as such we will have to go to
      another part of the PDP that makes mention of a truncated co-chair
      term. <br>
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    <p> The applicable section (i.e. 3.3) says the Working Group may
      select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term. Given the
      current polarized state of this working group, perhaps Afrinic
      staff under the guidance of the CEO and some advisory from the
      Board (being the representatives of resource members) could
      convene an online meeting in which the working group properly
      analyzes the situation and chooses a path forward? <br>
    </p>
    <p>Considering our current fear of room stacking ahead of either
      face to face and online polls, it would be interesting to see how
      we resolve this one. Is this the birth of a PDWG led by a small
      group rather than 2 individuals? A group given a mandate to
      somehow tidy up many of the flaws in the current PDP? <br>
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    <p>Regards,</p>
    <p>Dewole who quickly runs off to get a flame retardant suit :-P<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/2021 7:17 AM, Daniel Yakmut via
      RPD wrote:<br>
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      <p>I don't agree Fernando, a committee does not usually have that
        'absoluteness' you mentioned. I can also understand the remarks
        'Findings/Outcome of the Recall Committee' to mean that there is
        a hanging process.</p>
      <p>Please, the committee's outcome remains that the Co-Chairs
        should be recalled. There must be a pronouncement from the board
        that constituted the Recall committee. This is not a market
        square so we cannot take the 'shout of a mad man in the market
        to mean the proclamation of the king'. The king must speak
        through the authorised channel, before the people can accept.</p>
      <p>Therefore, we wait!</p>
      <p>Simply</p>
      <p>Daniel<br>
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      <p><br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/02/2021 3:18 am, Badru Ntege
        wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">I believe this is the correct understanding
              of the outcome.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">We now need to move forward with the
              selection of new co-chairs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">The community is committed to accept the
              outcome of the committee.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Lets move on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Regards.   <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Fernando Frediani <a
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                  moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br>
                <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 01:45<br>
                <b>To: </b>"rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
                <b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] PDWG situation without
                co-chairs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">No Daniel, the output of the Recall
              Committee regarding the Co-Chairs is already final (read
              point 19 from their report) according to whats the CPM
              says about it, so it does not have to be approved by
              anyone, not even the Board itself. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">So currently we don't have any
                Co-Chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">What the Committee has mentioned in
                  the document is for the Board to lead the election of
                  the new Co-Chairs and determine the transition during
                  this interim.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">That's it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, 8 Feb 2021, 19:29 Daniel
                Yakmut via RPD, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Here we are indeed in a strange
                situation, which we created for <br>
                ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I thought
                we all had it <br>
                figured out and  that is why we called for recall of the
                Co-chairs.<br>
                <br>
                I am baffled that Jordi is already making a suggestion
                on how to proceed <br>
                to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations of the
                Recall Committee <br>
                has not being assented to. Though, I don't know who is
                to approve the <br>
                recommendations of the committee.<br>
                <br>
                Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable here, since
                I have not seen <br>
                any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs. I am
                aware that the Alan <br>
                Barret led committee made recommendations, which
                requires acceptance, <br>
                approval and implementation.<br>
                <br>
                I am rather seeing a strange situation in the haste that
                is being <br>
                suggested on how to deal with the 'situation of no
                Co-chairs'.<br>
                <br>
                I am currently studying the documents provided by the
                Recall Committee, <br>
                to enable one make an appropriate comment. But, at this
                early stages the <br>
                outcome of the committees report remains just
                recommendations.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Simply,<br>
                <br>
                Daniel<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
                wrote:<br>
                > Hi all,<br>
                ><br>
                > We are in a very strange situation now.<br>
                ><br>
                > We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings (because
                the Covid) so elections could take place.<br>
                ><br>
                > The Recall Committee suggested that the section 3.3
                of the CPM shall take effect (if the working group chair
                is unable to serve his or her full term the WG may
                select a replacement to serve the remainder of the
                term).<br>
                ><br>
                > The Recall Committee report already suggested that
                the PDWG should work on this and coordinate with the
                board.<br>
                ><br>
                > Guys, this is our "problem" as a community.
                Remember that the board is only helping the community
                here organizing the elections.<br>
                ><br>
                > Is not the board who choose the candidates and
                elects them it is our tasks. Remember that without
                co-chairs, we can't advance with our work. Who takes
                care of ensuring a profitable discussion in the list for
                any policy proposal (and we have many in the table), or
                even ensuring that there is not any abuse or bad
                behavior during this period?<br>
                ><br>
                > I will like to propose a few ideas and I hope that
                others also do the same. Remember that this is
                transition period:<br>
                ><br>
                > 1) Ask the board to choose among previous co-chairs
                that already have proven experience (and hopefully they
                accept).<br>
                > 2) Nominate ourselves those previous co-chairs.<br>
                > 3) A combination of both 1 and 2 above (example,
                board nominates one, the community another).<br>
                > 4) Instead of looking for a temporary replacement,
                asking the board to organize elections in a maximum of
                4-6 weeks, using the same procedure that was prepared
                for the last time and using the same electoral census.<br>
                ><br>
                > If we want to board to hear us and take a decision,
                we should try to reach consensus *among us* without
                co-chairs. I know it seems difficult, but I'm convinced
                that at difficult times, this community will be able to
                work together.<br>
                ><br>
                > Eddy, I will love to hear also what you have to
                say, or if the board already has worked out something,
                etc.<br>
                ><br>
                > Thanks in advance!<br>
                > <br>
                > Regards,<br>
                > Jordi<br>
                > @jordipalet<br>
                >   <br>
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