<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body>
<p>Actually there is no king in the PDP, fortunately or
unfortunately. Hopefully though, the market will be coordinated as
best possible using the untested rules we have to work with in
this case. <br>
</p>
<p>My take:</p>
<p>PDP (section 3.5) says a co-chair may be recalled (with request
and justification sent to the board of directors); Logically, the
recall process ends in either recall of the co-chair or
continuation of his/her term. That's all that the conflict
resolution section states and as such we will have to go to
another part of the PDP that makes mention of a truncated co-chair
term. <br>
</p>
<p> The applicable section (i.e. 3.3) says the Working Group may
select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term. Given the
current polarized state of this working group, perhaps Afrinic
staff under the guidance of the CEO and some advisory from the
Board (being the representatives of resource members) could
convene an online meeting in which the working group properly
analyzes the situation and chooses a path forward? <br>
</p>
<p>Considering our current fear of room stacking ahead of either
face to face and online polls, it would be interesting to see how
we resolve this one. Is this the birth of a PDWG led by a small
group rather than 2 individuals? A group given a mandate to
somehow tidy up many of the flaws in the current PDP? <br>
</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Dewole who quickly runs off to get a flame retardant suit :-P<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/2021 7:17 AM, Daniel Yakmut via
RPD wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:05fe0c92-2a6a-e549-cb49-47c725d76a85@gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<p>I don't agree Fernando, a committee does not usually have that
'absoluteness' you mentioned. I can also understand the remarks
'Findings/Outcome of the Recall Committee' to mean that there is
a hanging process.</p>
<p>Please, the committee's outcome remains that the Co-Chairs
should be recalled. There must be a pronouncement from the board
that constituted the Recall committee. This is not a market
square so we cannot take the 'shout of a mad man in the market
to mean the proclamation of the king'. The king must speak
through the authorised channel, before the people can accept.</p>
<p>Therefore, we wait!</p>
<p>Simply</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/02/2021 3:18 am, Badru Ntege
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:41165EF8-C41E-40D5-BE6D-28D1DA530C24@nftconsult.com">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=UTF-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered
medium)">
<style>@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}span.EmailStyle18
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}</style>
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I believe this is the correct understanding
of the outcome. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">We now need to move forward with the
selection of new co-chairs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">The community is committed to accept the
outcome of the committee.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Lets move on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Regards. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Fernando Frediani <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 01:45<br>
<b>To: </b>"rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] PDWG situation without
co-chairs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">No Daniel, the output of the Recall
Committee regarding the Co-Chairs is already final (read
point 19 from their report) according to whats the CPM
says about it, so it does not have to be approved by
anyone, not even the Board itself. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">So currently we don't have any
Co-Chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">What the Committee has mentioned in
the document is for the Board to lead the election of
the new Co-Chairs and determine the transition during
this interim.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">That's it.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, 8 Feb 2021, 19:29 Daniel
Yakmut via RPD, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal">Here we are indeed in a strange
situation, which we created for <br>
ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I thought
we all had it <br>
figured out and that is why we called for recall of the
Co-chairs.<br>
<br>
I am baffled that Jordi is already making a suggestion
on how to proceed <br>
to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations of the
Recall Committee <br>
has not being assented to. Though, I don't know who is
to approve the <br>
recommendations of the committee.<br>
<br>
Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable here, since
I have not seen <br>
any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs. I am
aware that the Alan <br>
Barret led committee made recommendations, which
requires acceptance, <br>
approval and implementation.<br>
<br>
I am rather seeing a strange situation in the haste that
is being <br>
suggested on how to deal with the 'situation of no
Co-chairs'.<br>
<br>
I am currently studying the documents provided by the
Recall Committee, <br>
to enable one make an appropriate comment. But, at this
early stages the <br>
outcome of the committees report remains just
recommendations.<br>
<br>
<br>
Simply,<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> We are in a very strange situation now.<br>
><br>
> We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings (because
the Covid) so elections could take place.<br>
><br>
> The Recall Committee suggested that the section 3.3
of the CPM shall take effect (if the working group chair
is unable to serve his or her full term the WG may
select a replacement to serve the remainder of the
term).<br>
><br>
> The Recall Committee report already suggested that
the PDWG should work on this and coordinate with the
board.<br>
><br>
> Guys, this is our "problem" as a community.
Remember that the board is only helping the community
here organizing the elections.<br>
><br>
> Is not the board who choose the candidates and
elects them it is our tasks. Remember that without
co-chairs, we can't advance with our work. Who takes
care of ensuring a profitable discussion in the list for
any policy proposal (and we have many in the table), or
even ensuring that there is not any abuse or bad
behavior during this period?<br>
><br>
> I will like to propose a few ideas and I hope that
others also do the same. Remember that this is
transition period:<br>
><br>
> 1) Ask the board to choose among previous co-chairs
that already have proven experience (and hopefully they
accept).<br>
> 2) Nominate ourselves those previous co-chairs.<br>
> 3) A combination of both 1 and 2 above (example,
board nominates one, the community another).<br>
> 4) Instead of looking for a temporary replacement,
asking the board to organize elections in a maximum of
4-6 weeks, using the same procedure that was prepared
for the last time and using the same electoral census.<br>
><br>
> If we want to board to hear us and take a decision,
we should try to reach consensus *among us* without
co-chairs. I know it seems difficult, but I'm convinced
that at difficult times, this community will be able to
work together.<br>
><br>
> Eddy, I will love to hear also what you have to
say, or if the board already has worked out something,
etc.<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance!<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jordi<br>
> @jordipalet<br>
> <br>
> <br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> **********************************************<br>
> IPv4 is over<br>
> Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br>
> <a href="http://www.theipv6company.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>
> The IPv6 Company<br>
><br>
> This electronic message contains information which
may be privileged or confidential. The information is
intended to be for the exclusive use of the
individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty
authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of
the contents of this information, even if partially,
including attached files, is strictly prohibited and
will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not
the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure,
copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
information, even if partially, including attached
files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a
criminal offense, so you must reply to the original
sender to inform about this communication and delete it.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> RPD mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
RPD mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
RPD mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
RPD mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Regards,
Dewole.</pre>
</body>
</html>