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<p>Errrm, thanks for the vote of confidence, Jordi but I don't think
I have enough bandwidth at this time. Maybe a larger steering
group with more past co-chairs so that the workload isn't so much
on any one person? Yes, we absolutely should salute the co-chairs
even when there are errors in judgement. It's not an easy role.</p>
<p>Removing former CEOs and current board members, the ex co-chair
pool (according to
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group</a> ) looks like
this:<br>
Vincent Ngundi <br>
Hytham El Nakhal <br>
Paulos Nyirenda <br>
Tim McGinnis <br>
Emile Milandou <br>
Adam Nelson <br>
Barry Macharia <br>
Sami Salih <br>
</p>
<p>Alain Aina seems to be a reasonable addition given that he has
contributed and continues to contribute actively to policy
development. We could also call for volunteers.</p>
<p>This is an interesting situation indeed because at the end of all
this "speculation", someone has to decide on what next (and
regardless of whom it is, someone is going to disagree regarding
their standing... Example "board must not interfere with PDP",
"legal counsel is not legal counsel to the PDWG", etc). Time for
us all to be grown up, it would appear.<br>
</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Dewole.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/2021 12:05 PM, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">This is why I suggested:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">> 4) Instead of
looking for a temporary replacement, asking the board to
organize elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using the same
procedure that was prepared for the last time and using the
same electoral census.<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I still believe that it will be good a
transition period with previous chairs that have *<b>real
and proven experience</b>*.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">For example, Dewole and Alan, would you accept
to be nominated for that transition period (6-12 months I’m
guessing)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 9/2/21
10:54, "Dewole Ajao via RPD" <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">The proposed election process may
have been workable if we did not already have contention over
an unusual/unexplained surge in mailing list registrations a
couple of moons ago. Setting a cut off date before that surge
then cuts off some real humans that joined the mailing list
after the surge. What to do?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dewole.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 2/9/2021
10:13 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The co-chair
model is by far the more common model among all the RIRs. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">However,
there is one exception and I will say that in its region,
it has served the community rather well throughout the
history of that RIR.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">It’s also
the region where I have the greatest familiarity, now
being in my 14th year of service in that body.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">In our
region, we have 15 members and they come from diverse
segments of the community (cloud providers, large ISPs,
small ISPs, individuals, and more).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Being that I
have been involved for so long in that process at such a
deep level, my view may be somewhat biased, but if the
PDWG wishes to pursue a transition towards an Advisory
Council structure instead of just 2 co-chairs, I’m happy
to contribute my knowledge and experience to that process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">However,
this should not be the immediate fix to the current
situation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The current
situation should be resolved in the most efficient
possible way to achieve a fair and open election from the
existing participants in the community.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Lacking
co-chairs to lead the process, I think it should probably
fall to the election committee to manage the election
process. I propose that:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>1.<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>EC set a date
(in the past) at which time you must have been a member of
the RPD<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>list
in order to vote. This should prevent any room stacking
and allay any fears of room-stacking.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>2.<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>EC sets a
date (~10-14 days out) when nominations open. Anyone
eligible person wishing to serve may<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>self-nominate
or be nominated by another. EC should collect and validate
all such<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>nominations.
All validated nominees should be placed on a slate.
Nominations should<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>run
for 1 week from the opening date.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>3.<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Each
candidate should be able to submit a video and written
statement to be posted on the<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>AfriNIC
web site at the same time as the slate is announced.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>4.<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Two weeks
after announcement of the slate, voting should commence
and run for 1 week.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Each
member should make a ranked-choice vote of 1 or more
candidates to hold the office.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>If
you aren’t familiar with ranked-choice voting, <a
href="https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>provides
good detail.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Essentially,
the votes are counted in consecutive rounds, starting with
everyone’s first choice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>The
candidate receiving the lowest percentage vote in each
round is eliminated and their votes<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>are
transferred to the next choice of each voter who had
contributed to their total votes.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>In
this case, since we are electing two co-chairs, once the
first candidate reaches a ≥50%<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>majority
in the ranked-choices, they should be selected to serve
out the longer term and<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>the
next-highest ranked candidate should be selected to serve
out the shorter term.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Even this
process will take time, but I think we should have a
deliberate process and a proper election<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">for the
fairness of all.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Feb
9, 2021, at 00:16 , Dewole Ajao via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt;caret-color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Actually
there is no king in the PDP, fortunately or
unfortunately. Hopefully though, the market will
be coordinated as best possible using the untested
rules we have to work with in this case.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt;caret-color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">My
take:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt;caret-color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">PDP
(section 3.5) says a co-chair may be recalled
(with request and justification sent to the board
of directors); Logically, the recall process ends
in either recall of the co-chair or continuation
of his/her term. That's all that the conflict
resolution section states and as such we will have
to go to another part of the PDP that makes
mention of a truncated co-chair term.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt;caret-color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">The
applicable section (i.e. 3.3) says the Working
Group may select a replacement to serve the
remainder of the term. Given the current polarized
state of this working group, perhaps Afrinic staff
under the guidance of the CEO and some advisory
from the Board (being the representatives of
resource members) could convene an online meeting
in which the working group properly analyzes the
situation and chooses a path forward?<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt;caret-color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Considering
our current fear of room stacking ahead of either
face to face and online polls, it would be
interesting to see how we resolve this one. Is
this the birth of a PDWG led by a small group
rather than 2 individuals? A group given a mandate
to somehow tidy up many of the flaws in the
current PDP?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt;caret-color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt;caret-color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Dewole
who quickly runs off to get a flame retardant suit
:-P<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">On
2/9/2021 7:17 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps:
normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows:
auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">I
don't agree Fernando, a committee does not
usually have that 'absoluteness' you mentioned.
I can also understand the remarks
'Findings/Outcome of the Recall Committee' to
mean that there is a hanging process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Please,
the committee's outcome remains that the
Co-Chairs should be recalled. There must be a
pronouncement from the board that constituted
the Recall committee. This is not a market
square so we cannot take the 'shout of a mad man
in the market to mean the proclamation of the
king'. The king must speak through the
authorised channel, before the people can
accept.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Therefore,
we wait!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Simply<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">On
09/02/2021 3:18 am, Badru Ntege wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
lang="EN-US">I believe this is the correct
understanding of the outcome. <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
lang="EN-US">We now need to move forward
with the selection of new co-chairs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
lang="EN-US">The community is committed to
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lang="EN-US">Regards. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span
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style="font-size:12.0pt">Fernando Frediani<span
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<b>Date:<span
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9 February 2021 at 01:45<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"rpd
>> AfriNIC Resource Policy"<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt">No Daniel, the
output of the Recall Committee regarding the
Co-Chairs is already final (read point 19
from their report) according to whats the
CPM says about it, so it does not have to be
approved by anyone, not even the Board
itself.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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don't have any Co-Chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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Committee has mentioned in the document
is for the Board to lead the election of
the new Co-Chairs and determine the
transition during this interim.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Mon, 8 Feb
2021, 19:29 Daniel Yakmut via RPD, <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:35.4pt">Here we are
indeed in a strange situation, which we
created for<span
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ourselves. A situation we were drumming
for. I thought we all had it<span
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figured out and that is why we called for
recall of the Co-chairs.<br>
<br>
I am baffled that Jordi is already making
a suggestion on how to proceed<span
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to get new Co-Chairs. When the
recommendations of the Recall Committee<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
has not being assented to. Though, I don't
know who is to approve the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
recommendations of the committee.<br>
<br>
Hence, the response of Jordi is not
tenable here, since I have not seen<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
any declaration that, we don't have
co-chairs. I am aware that the Alan<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Barret led committee made recommendations,
which requires acceptance,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
approval and implementation.<br>
<br>
I am rather seeing a strange situation in
the haste that is being<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
suggested on how to deal with the
'situation of no Co-chairs'.<br>
<br>
I am currently studying the documents
provided by the Recall Committee,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
to enable one make an appropriate comment.
But, at this early stages the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
outcome of the committees report remains
just recommendations.<br>
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<br>
Simply,<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> We are in a very strange situation
now.<br>
><br>
> We have no co-chairs, we have no
meetings (because the Covid) so elections
could take place.<br>
><br>
> The Recall Committee suggested that
the section 3.3 of the CPM shall take
effect (if the working group chair is
unable to serve his or her full term the
WG may select a replacement to serve the
remainder of the term).<br>
><br>
> The Recall Committee report already
suggested that the PDWG should work on
this and coordinate with the board.<br>
><br>
> Guys, this is our "problem" as a
community. Remember that the board is only
helping the community here organizing the
elections.<br>
><br>
> Is not the board who choose the
candidates and elects them it is our
tasks. Remember that without co-chairs, we
can't advance with our work. Who takes
care of ensuring a profitable discussion
in the list for any policy proposal (and
we have many in the table), or even
ensuring that there is not any abuse or
bad behavior during this period?<br>
><br>
> I will like to propose a few ideas
and I hope that others also do the same.
Remember that this is transition period:<br>
><br>
> 1) Ask the board to choose among
previous co-chairs that already have
proven experience (and hopefully they
accept).<br>
> 2) Nominate ourselves those previous
co-chairs.<br>
> 3) A combination of both 1 and 2
above (example, board nominates one, the
community another).<br>
> 4) Instead of looking for a temporary
replacement, asking the board to organize
elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using
the same procedure that was prepared for
the last time and using the same electoral
census.<br>
><br>
> If we want to board to hear us and
take a decision, we should try to reach
consensus *among us* without co-chairs. I
know it seems difficult, but I'm convinced
that at difficult times, this community
will be able to work together.<br>
><br>
> Eddy, I will love to hear also what
you have to say, or if the board already
has worked out something, etc.<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance!<br>
><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jordi<br>
> @jordipalet<br>
> <br>
> <br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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