<div dir="auto">Merci pour votre intervention Professeur FYAMA,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Totalement d'accord avec vous. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cordialement. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 15 déc. 2020 à 19:39, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 19:38:21 +0200<br>
From: Blaise Fyama <<a href="mailto:bfyama@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bfyama@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Effectivement cher Kakel, on sent une bataille rang?e des uns contre les<br>
autres.<br>
Est-ce juste et profitable pour la communaut? que l'on s'entre d?chire<br>
parce que ne voyant pas les choses de la m?me fa?on ?<br>
Une dose de tol?rance est requise et s'impose dans un groupe de travail o?<br>
la libert? de penser a toute sa place parmi nous.<br>
Les anges et les d?mons ne cohabitent pas!<br>
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Cordialement,<br>
Blaise.<br>
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Le mar. 15 d?c. 2020 ? 11:57, Kakel Mbumb <<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>> a ?crit :<br>
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> Bonjour chers tous,<br>
><br>
> Je <a href="http://ne.me" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ne.me</a> fatiguerai pas ? continuer ? nous demander de rester objectif<br>
> sur la mani?re avec laquelle nous nous.adressons mutuellement.<br>
><br>
> Ayons du respect mutuel pour tout un chacun. S'il s'av?re que des<br>
> accusations pr?somptueuses sont tourn?es vers un individu ou un groupe des<br>
> membres de la communaut?, il est imp?rieux que nous puissions en apporter<br>
> des preuves et surtout s'adresser ? tout un chacun de fa?on respectueuse.<br>
><br>
> Chacun peut d?fendre sa position librement sans que cela ne n?cessite que<br>
> l'on s'insulte mutuellement. Nous sommes des responsables et personnalit?s<br>
> de diff?rents acabits et rangs. Restons objectifs et ma?trisons notre dose<br>
> de subjectivit?.<br>
><br>
> Cordialement.<br>
><br>
> Le lun. 14 d?c. 2020 ? 10:07, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a ?crit :<br>
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>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:52:50 +0300<br>
>> From: Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Statement from Legal Counsel<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5232276b-9f07-b9b4-b23e-3a8cce94f136@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">5232276b-9f07-b9b4-b23e-3a8cce94f136@geier.ne.tz</a>><br>
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>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> just one thing...<br>
>><br>
>> On 14/12/2020 00:29, Paschal Ochang wrote:<br>
>> > Dear Community,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I?d like to point out the following remarks:<br>
>> ...<br>
>> > 4.For the Resource Transfer Policy, the co-chairs stepped back by<br>
>> > extending the last call period and allowing the community more<br>
>> > discussion time (which was requested by members of the community), which<br>
>> > renders the appeal invalid.<br>
>><br>
>> Ehm.... no.<br>
>><br>
>> Appeal is still valid.<br>
>><br>
>> Frank<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> Message: 2<br>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:06:24 +0100<br>
>> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
>> To: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Statement from Legal Counsel<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4347733C-9E5F-43F1-AD25-C6882147E6F7@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">4347733C-9E5F-43F1-AD25-C6882147E6F7@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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>><br>
>> Even better than that. The Board Prerogatives Policy allows the bylaws to<br>
>> be as they are right now. Otherwise, the bylaws are against the PDP and<br>
>> clearly AFRINIC has not and can?t have any superior power on top of the<br>
>> community!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Jordi<br>
>><br>
>> @jordipalet<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> El 13/12/20 22:39, "Paschal Ochang" <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> escribi?:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Dear Community,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I?d like to point out the following remarks:<br>
>><br>
>> 1.??????????? Any legal mentions in the email regarding the PDWG are<br>
>> invalid and deemed wrong since Afrinic?s work and operations are a separate<br>
>> entity from the PDWG. Basically, in the PDP, the CPM is its bible and the<br>
>> community is its god. Law has no relevance at all, as Jordi said, the CPM<br>
>> must be SELF-CONTAINED.<br>
>><br>
>> 2.??????????? Nowhere in the CPM does it state that the co-chairs cannot<br>
>> respond to the authors of the policies appealed. As said before, only the<br>
>> CPM rules in the PDP and nothing else such as ?the legal principle of<br>
>> pendente lite? as clearly AFRINIC is not a court.<br>
>><br>
>> 3.??????????? There has been no request from the community for Afrinic?s<br>
>> legal assessment. This a breach of the CPM (3.4/3.4.1). Unless someone from<br>
>> the Afrinic Board can justify who requested for their judgement, the legal<br>
>> assessment should be disregarded for its violation of the CPM.<br>
>><br>
>> 4.??????????? For the Resource Transfer Policy, the co-chairs stepped<br>
>> back by extending the last call period and allowing the community more<br>
>> discussion time (which was requested by members of the community), which<br>
>> renders the appeal invalid. As for the final decision on consensus, it is<br>
>> still valid since it has not being filed for an appeal in the 2 weeks<br>
>> period that has followed.<br>
>><br>
>> 5.??????????? The Board Prerogatives Policy has reached consensus<br>
>> smoothly and was neither appealed nor challenged. The community always<br>
>> comes first and Afrinic must adapt its bylaws so as to satisfy the<br>
>> community?s needs, as simple as it is.<br>
>><br>
>> 6.??????????? We are today facing an unprecedented situation. The very<br>
>> foundation of RIR system?s legitimacy, the bottom up process, is at risk.<br>
>> if AFRINIC ltd is being viewed as directly interfering with community and<br>
>> co-chairs?s independence, a potential interpretation of top-down approach,<br>
>> Governments and ITUs could come along and claim the very legitimacy of RIR<br>
>> system(the community and its bottem up process) no longer exists, arguing<br>
>> that the system itself no longer serves its function and should be<br>
>> dissolved.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dear Sunday<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> We saw in communication from legal, discussions between CEO and cochairs<br>
>> about 2 proposals which were recently in last call with the outcome we<br>
>> all know.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The WG was not informed by the cochairs about the origin and<br>
>> motivations of these discussions.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I could not imagine ceo/legal intervening in discussions on proposals<br>
>> without WG or co-chairs request.. thus I query for information about what<br>
>> it is going on.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> Arnaud<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Le dim. 13 d?c. 2020 ? 13:50, Sunday Folayan <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>> a<br>
>> ?crit :<br>
>><br>
>> Dear Arnaud,<br>
>><br>
>> I must have missed some embedded message in the Legal Counsel's email.<br>
>><br>
>> Can you please point out the relevant line in the Legal Counsel's email,<br>
>> that seems to say, or suggest that a recommendation was made to the Board<br>
>> by the Co-Chairs, that the PDWG is not aware of. This will help me make a<br>
>> better interpretation of the Email and its content.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you.<br>
>><br>
>> Sunday.<br>
>><br>
>> On 12/13/20 11:35 AM, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello, PDWG members<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> It appears in recent communications from legal counsel that co-chairs<br>
>> have recommended some draft policies for approval by board.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Why are the recommendations, including the reports prescribed by section<br>
>> 3.4.4, not published on this rpd for the sake of transparency and the<br>
>> practices in the matter?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Where did the resource transfer proposal version 5.0 come from?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> We seem to have abandoned the PDP and its key underlining principles.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> Arnaud<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Le mer. 9 d?c. 2020 ? 16:25, Ashok <<a href="mailto:ashok@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ashok@afrinic.net</a>> a ?crit :<br>
>><br>
>> Dear Community members,<br>
>><br>
>> I refer to AFRINIC?s Chief Executive Officer?s emails dated 30 November<br>
>> 2020 and 03 December 2020 sent to the PDWG?s Co-Chairs to which I was in<br>
>> copy thereof. Copies of the said emails are also herewith attached.<br>
>><br>
>> As AFRINIC?s Legal Counsel I wish first to draw your attention to the<br>
>> PDWG?s Co-Chairs? declaration of consensus dated 07 October 2020 in respect<br>
>> of the policy entitled 'Board's Prerogatives' ? AFPUB-2020-GEN-004-DRAFT02-<br>
>> as well as the policy entitled 'Resource Transfer Policy'<br>
>> ?AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04- whereby in the latter case, consensus was<br>
>> initially declared on 07 October 2020 and which was subsequently reversed<br>
>> by the Co-Chairs on 17 October 2020.<br>
>><br>
>> I hold no mandate to interfere in the work of the PDWG and/or its<br>
>> independence I shall refrain from doing so.<br>
>><br>
>> Nevertheless, I deem it my duty to tender my advice, for whatever it is<br>
>> worth and without in any way pressurising, the PDWG, an AFRINIC-related<br>
>> body to be bound by same.<br>
>><br>
>> My advice addresses the aforementioned two policy proposals and my<br>
>> purpose is to ensure that the work of the PDWG thereon as well as its<br>
>> outcome are both legally in order. I have given anxious consideration to<br>
>> this matter and also bear in mind that where the acts and doings of the<br>
>> PDWG are not legally in order, same may have a detrimental effect on the<br>
>> image and reputation of AFRINIC both as a corporate body and responsible<br>
>> RIR.<br>
>><br>
>> In regard to the policy entitled 'Board's Prerogatives', I have taken<br>
>> note of AFRINIC's Staff Assessment report dated 04 November 2020 -<br>
>> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-004-d2#impact" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-004-d2#impact</a>.<br>
>><br>
>> You may have noticed that the said report has raised both serious<br>
>> governance and operational issues as well as areas of uncertainty observed<br>
>> in the proposed policy which has, up to now, remained unaddressed.<br>
>><br>
>> Consequently, it is my humble view that the PDWG may in its wisdom<br>
>> consider to review its own stand in respect of these policy proposals so as<br>
>> to avoid any form of encroachment, potential or otherwise, onto the Board<br>
>> of Director?s prerogatives, the foundations of which are grounded in<br>
>> articles 3.4 and 15 of the AFRINIC?s bylaws.<br>
>><br>
>> However, should the PDWG maintain its stand in respect of the above, then<br>
>> the appropriate motion has to be made during an AGMM, pursuant to Article<br>
>> 7.7 of the bylaws to amend articles 3.4, 15(1), 15(2) and 15(3) of the<br>
>> bylaws thus allowing the powers of the Board of Directors to be subjected<br>
>> to the directives and guidance of the PDWG.<br>
>><br>
>> As regard the policy entitled 'Resource Transfer Policy', the PDWG may be<br>
>> aware that the said policy (i.e. version 4 thereof) is presently the<br>
>> subject of an appeal before the Appeal Committee and the matter is yet to<br>
>> be determined.<br>
>><br>
>> Consequently, the PDWG is hereby informed and advised that it is a matter<br>
>> of sound and settled legal principle that, pending the outcome of the<br>
>> Appeal Committee proceedings, it (PDWG) refrains from entertaining any<br>
>> request emanating from the relevant co-authors of the said policy proposals<br>
>> for further amending these proposals on the legal principle of pendente<br>
>> lite. It is also my considered view that any attempt in the meantime by the<br>
>> latter to submit a newly purported version of their policy proposal will be<br>
>> inadmissible (non-receivable) in law.<br>
>><br>
>> To close my submission may I urge the PDWG to give due weight to my<br>
>> non-binding legal advice and consequently appreciate the real risk of<br>
>> AFRINIC, in the event that the Appeal proceedings are ignored, having to<br>
>> ratify and implement two policy proposals, on the same subject matter,<br>
>> which would lead to an unprecedented conflictual situation.<br>
>><br>
>> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon.<br>
>><br>
>> Legal Counsel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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