<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi all, </div><div><br></div><div>Please see my comments below...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 7 déc. 2020 15:53, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Just as a random note…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As a general rule – by the definition of rough consensus – if there are two proposals that are in conflict at the same time – neither can progress.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> </span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dear Andrew,</div><div dir="auto">...thanks for your email, it opens my mind, but i </div><div dir="auto">think that the mentioned rule can only work if </div><div dir="auto">PDWG's Chairs considers all the DPPs, under </div><div dir="auto">discussions, when it comes to determine rough </div><div dir="auto">consensus on each of them; rather than (the actual </div><div dir="auto">state) just focusing on each one to determine rough</div><div dir="auto"> consensus on it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="en-KE"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The definition of rough consensus states that all substantive issues have been addressed – if not necessarily resolved. If there are issues serious enough to warrant 2 competing proposals
that cannot be brought together, the proposals should defeat consensus in and of themselves.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> </span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...i agree, but i still fail to understand how it could </div><div dir="auto">be applied to this PDWG, right now, with the current </div><div dir="auto">PDP [1]. Please refer to my comment above. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="en-KE"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Remember, consensus is not a numbers game, it is not about votes, it is about the fact that the authors of the proposal have looked at each and every objection, addressed it, not necessarily
resolved it, and that the community as a whole feels that the objections have been addressed to the point of rendering them less substantive than the passage of the policy itself. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>...yes, of course! </div><div>Thanks for recalling this to us, brother. </div><div> </div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="en-KE"><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The very fact that two policies continue to stand says this has not happened.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>...the actual version of our PDP [1] can not solve </div><div>this problem. Maybe there is a try here [2] ; but i </div><div>don't understand why that DPP [2] is still without an </div><div>identifier attributed by AFRINIC (Staff) and have not</div><div> yet been published [3] on AFRINIC's website. </div><div>__</div><div>[1]: <<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDP" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDP</a>></div><div>[2]: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/010248.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/010248.html</a>></div><div>[3]: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011886.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011886.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="en-KE"><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Wijdane Goubi <<a href="mailto:goubi.wijdane@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">goubi.wijdane@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 4 December 2020 23:58<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Community Feedback<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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