<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Jaco,</div><div><br></div><div>considering the contest, clearly, we are not facing any of the emergencies you mentioned. Remaining closer to the purpose of the discussion, the current recall process opens the door to several doubts. The incompletion of the call request section is already creating issues and can potentially create unfair situations that in the interest of the community we should try to avoid and fix in advance. The proposal can help us and there are no reasons to ask the author to withdraw it.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Lucilla</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 3 dic 2020 alle ore 06:16 Jaco Kroon <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Lucilla,</p>
<p>Please clarify the emergency here? Will a war break out if this
policy doesn't get changed sooner than the normal process? Will
someone die? What's the emergency here?<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
</p>
<p>On 2020/12/02 15:22, lucilla fornaro wrote:</p>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dear Community,</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Section 3.6 of the CPM says:
“The process outlined in this document may vary in the case
of an emergency. Variance is for use when a one-time waiving
of some provision of this document is required”. </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">The author should not withdraw
this important proposal for two reasons: firstly, it is
valuable, and secondly, if not approved it will
automatically expire. </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I believe this is exactly the
moment for the chairs to change the process of the PDP,
considering that we do find in the case of an emergency.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regards Lucilla </div>
</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mer 2 dic 2020 alle
ore 21:48 Ibeanusi Elvis <<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" target="_blank">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
ha scritto:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Dear
community,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Adding to the ongoing discussion on this mailing list,
besides the fact that this Request to Recall the PDWG
Co-Chairs is based on personal grievances with the
co-chairs and emotions, I don’t see a form of fast
tracking this ongoing recall process and like the
co-chairs stated, the so-called "promotion or fast-track”
is of no benefit to them. They (the co-chairs) just
performed their administrative function and in the
principle of fairness, openness, and transparency, brought
it forward to the RPD community for discussion. Likewise,
the personal attack needs to stop, saying that the
co-chairs are imitating the behavior of an “AFRICAN
DICTATOR” whom wants to do everything they can to stay in
power including adjusting the country’s constitution went
too far and very disrespectful and an insult to their
integrity and personality. Also, a disregard to the long
hours and dedication that they have put into the service
of this AFRINIC organization. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Similarly, proposing a withdrawal of a draft policy
proposal is not functional as the CPM 3.4.1 elucidates
that first, "<span style="font-size:14px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif">During
the development of policy, draft versions of the
document are made available for review and comment by
publishing them on the AFRINIC website and posting them
to the </span><span id="gmail-m_3250227765897837290gmail-m_-3018335269061364756gmail-cloak0d51ab8d2a6602c0283affe46f0fb1f3" style="font-size:14px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;box-sizing:border-box"><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(210,114,70);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a></span><font face="Roboto, sans-serif" color="#757575"><span style="font-size:14px"> mailing list.</span><span style="font-size:14px">”</span><span style="font-size:14px"> </span></font> which is
currently happening. Also, the same CPM 3.4.1 states that
"<span style="color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">A
draft policy expires after one calendar year unless it
is approved by the AFRINIC Board of Directors as a
policy. </span>Hence, the idea of suggesting a
withdrawal should end as well as the personal attacks. If
you have an personal issues or grievances with the
co-chairs, find a way to settle it with them. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, </div>
<div>Elvis. </div>
<div>
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<div><br>
I'm a stickler to rules and procedures and not
interested or have a vested interest. Therefore
consider my notes below as advisory to guide your
decision as I do not want to argue for it against.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Aside from providing a context you have given
in your earlier email, I must call your attention
to this <span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Latin
word <b>“no one should be a judge in their own
cause”</b>. It is one of the cardinal rules of
natural justice that no one should act as a
judge a case in which they have a personal
(vested) interest.</span> </div>
<div><br>
<br>
Secondly, I wish to refer you to section 3.41.
and 3.4.2. of the CPM as posted below before you
invoke sections 3.6 which has lots of ambiguity
which I have noted in my several correspondence on
this mailing list. There is legal standing of a
section of a law or CMP needs to stand as
procedures.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let me try to clarify with a little LAW 101
classroom explanation based on the principle of
antecedent law. This simply means <b>the Nature
and Evolution of the Rules of Procedure and
Evidence. is a doctrine of interpretation where
a court interprets a qualifying clause to refer
to the immediately preceding words or phrases.</b><br>
In the light of the above, you must first satisfy
the following in this order BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY
CONCENSUS DECISION :</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1: Publish on the website which has not been
done or referred to in your email (See CMP section
3.4.1 for advice as seen below)</div>
<div>2. The draft policy shall be available for
review for at least four weeks before the next
Public Policy Meeting. </div>
<div>3: <b><i>CONDITIONAL Statement but best
practice before any meeting or consensus
decision is made: </i></b>The Working Group
Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an
analysis (technical, financial, legal or other),
of the impact of the draft policy proposal.</div>
<div>4. Each policy proposals must be place on an
agenda for a PUBLIC MEETING. (This section must be
satisfied before you proceed to interpret section
3.6)</div>
<div>5.
The agenda of the meeting shall be announced on
the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list at
least two weeks prior to the meeting. (Are we
having another PPM before the end of this year?)<br>
<br>
Please note that my comments are observations and
advisory to enrich out understanding of the CPM
and it's interpretation. <br>
<br>
Regards</div>
<div><br>
Caleb Ogundele<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Extract of CPM Referenced<br>
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<div><br>
<h3>3.4.1 Draft
Policy Proposal</h3>
<p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 5px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px">During
the development of policy, draft versions of the
document are made available for review and
comment by publishing them on the AFRINIC
website and posting them to the <span id="gmail-m_3250227765897837290gmail-m_-3018335269061364756gmail-cloak0d51ab8d2a6602c0283affe46f0fb1f3" style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(210,114,70);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a></span> mailing
list. Each draft policy is assigned a unique
identifier by AFRINIC and the AFRINIC website
shall also contain the version history and the
status of all proposals.</p>
<p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 5px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px">The
draft policy shall be available for review for
at least four weeks before the next Public
Policy Meeting. The author(s) shall make the
necessary changes to the draft policy according
to the feedback received. The Working Group
Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an
analysis (technical, financial, legal or other),
of the impact of the draft policy proposal.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<h3>3.4.2 Public
Policy Meeting</h3>
<p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 5px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px">The
draft policy is placed on the agenda of an open
public policy meeting. The agenda of the meeting
shall be announced on the Resource Policy
Discussion mailing list at least two weeks prior
to the meeting. No change can be made to a draft
policy within one week of the meeting. This is
so that a stable version of the draft policy can
be considered at the meeting. </p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 2,
2020 at 10:51 AM Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" target="_blank">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Nishal Goburdhan
<<a href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za" target="_blank">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> On 2 Dec 2020, at 6:29, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Dear PDWG Members,<br>
>> We want to acknowledge the proposal on
Co-Chair Recall process<br>
> <br>
> please pause.<br>
> <br>
> consider that you are asking this WG if they
want to fast track a proposal that you (the
co-chairs and policy officer) have neither:<br>
> #1 - disclosed to this working group; sorry,
but some random gmail account posting a
proprietary binary to this list, is *NOT* a policy
submission. those of us that do not open
attachments from random strangers are waiting for
the text version to be posted to this list (as is
the norm)<br>
> <br>
> #2 - given an identifier to yet<br>
> <br>
> without even knowing the contents of the PDF,
there are procedural steps involved in submission
that you have not yet completed. it’s entirely
unclear to me how you expect people to assess the
value of this proposal when they have not yet had
a chance to read it. and without assessing this
value, it’s inconceivable that you would even
consider fast tracking this.<br>
> <br>
> please, stick to the process.<br>
> <br>
> —n.<br>
> <br>
>
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